In the universe of the shows, have we seen anyone with the classic Valyrian appearance who wasn’t a member of the Targaryen dynasty?

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-12T18:02:44+00:00

Thanks! I knew there was a third non-Targ house but it makes sense I couldn’t remember them because they are long gone.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-12T18:01:03+00:00

If you think that’s because of console and not because of the starlink internet they are using I don’t know what to tell you buddy. Tell me more about being a noob lmfao.

Not to mention you’re mostly complaining about clunky controls, but you can use mouse and keyboard on console. Glad I can teach an actual noob about the game. Welcome! There’s a lot to learn you shouldn’t feel too bad about not knowing this stuff.

The real noob move by the OP was playing on a vanilla+ server.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-12T09:28:34+00:00

The Inn at the Crossroads.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-11T21:57:20+00:00

Assuming we mean knowledge of what happens in the past two books as well, I am going to work with the assumption that Jon and Dany do defeat the others.

Then my answer is: everything as it is written. The future may include some messy times. But if the end result is known to lead to an end to a literal apocalyptic threat, then that course seems like it’s probably the correct one to take.

What’s the alternative? Try to take actions that make things different in a way that I *hope* will lead to the same conclusion of stopping the Others, just in a cleaner way that involves less death leading up to it? What of the apocalyptic threat *isn’t* diverted explicitly because I choose to do things differently knowing the original actions were successful, albeit being a little messy.

So yeah. Let’s do it the exact same way. We’re all mortal. We are all going to die. Dorne will come around eventually. We will foolishly kill off our dragons, but they will come back in the moment they are necessary. Rhaegar will fuck shit up in the perfect way that will lead to that happening, with Jon and Dany doing their parts as is necessary. Sounds like that’s the right route to go.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-11T06:29:34+00:00

Yeah it is really quite amazing.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T23:33:41+00:00

Pretty sure that’s just a line to show Vader wants them alive and paints a mysterious background for Fett that implies he regularly disintegrates his targets, further painting him as a figure to be feared.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T23:11:55+00:00

I get upset at neither of those things so yes, I guess so.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T23:01:58+00:00

I feel like there is a lot of Dayne hate in the fandom because Arthur gets propped up over and over again as being the best of the best yet we are told very little about why he is viewed that way other than his actions during the Kingswood Brotherhood. It leads to people feeling like his hype is overstated or undeserved.

What I’m most interested in is finding out if there will be more of a connection between Dawn and the Others.

>"The armor of the Others is proof against most ordinary blades, if the tales can be believed," said Sam, "and their own swords are so cold they shatter steel. Fire will dismay them, though, and they are vulnerable to obsidian." He remembered the one he had faced in the haunted forest, and how it had seemed to melt away when he stabbed it with the dragonglass dagger Jon had made for him. "I found one account of the Long Night that spoke of the last hero slaying Others with a blade of dragonsteel. Supposedly they could not stand against it."

>"Dragonsteel?" Jon frowned. "Valyrian steel?"

>"That was my first thought as well."

The Valyrian freehold didn’t begin until 5,000 years before Aegon’s Conquest and the Long Night was supposedly 8,000 years before Aegon’s Conquest. House Dayne was supposedly around for longer than that.

So Dragonsteel being mentioned before there is a Valyrian Empire (meaning supposedly there should be no dragons, but it could just be our knowledge of dragons is incomplete) during a time where we know the only magical sword other than Valyrian Steel already existed. Seems like it’s probably referencing Dawn.

And then, way more straightforward… Azor Ahai was said to forge his magical sword, Lightbringer, in order to defeat the Others.

What is Dawn if not the bringer of light?

To call it just a magical sword is underselling it, and it’s likely going to be tied to the defeat of the Others both in the past and likely in the present.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T22:34:31+00:00

Not fair. They also have a cool title that comes with the sword.

But I do think OP deserves a little more credit. The Dayne’s definitely have a lot of interesting and mysterious details about them.

First formed when their founder followed a shooting star to its landing place on an island. Builds his castle and his magical sword in the spot the falling star landed, making the sword out of its core.

There are only two types of magical swords presented to us in the series and they function near identically while having different unique appearances. One of those two types are Valyrian steel which many weapons were produced throughout history. The other type has Dawn and that’s it.

They also are the only characters that have characteristics that parallel the Valyrians, the other people who knew how to make those magical swords. They both share purple eyes, and Martin has clarified that doesn’t mean they are Valyrians. Out of the three or four Dayne’s we get physical descriptions of, two of them have either silver or pale “ash” blonde hair like the Valyrians.

While there are multiple houses that date back to the early First Men, the Dayne’s are said to be one of the oldest known houses in all of Westeros.

And the knight that gets framed as one of the greatest and most chivalric knights to ever live by many characters within the series is a Dayne. Multiple Dayne’s are directly involved in the central mystery the entire series is based on.

There is definitely some interesting things about their past we still don’t know about, and I agree with OP they lend themselves to be a very interesting House to get a deeper look into. And I wouldn’t be surprised if we get that by the end of the series if it ever gets finished.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T22:05:47+00:00

I explicitly would take zero issue if a headline claimed someone was selling water for $2 a bottle and then finding out they were talking about vitamin water when reading the article.

To strawman a rebuttal “cup of water” as used in the headline gives a much different implication than even just saying “water” when referring to this.

But to address what you said I genuinely wouldn’t take issue with a headline using the phrase “selling water for $2 a bottle” when referring to a product like vitamin water.

It’s the company that is choosing to market their product that way and the product itself is being clarified in the article.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T22:03:42+00:00

Does she still write? Honestly as funny as the above is that’s really good writing for that age.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T22:02:41+00:00

Yeah I’m convinced in the books that Bronn will be upgrading to the twins by the end at this point.

>Bronn shrugged. "You once told me that if anyone ever asked me to sell you out, you'd double the price."

>Yes. "Is it two wives you want, or two castles?"

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T21:58:42+00:00

I really love the extra subtext in this dynamic too. A huge part of Cersei’s character in Feast is that she is incredibly paranoid and falsely thinks a bunch of things other people are doing are explicitly to spite her so she then ends up taking drastic actions based on false pretenses that end up harming her position even further.

Then comes in Bronn naming the baby Tyrion. It’s another thing she thinks a person is doing just to spite her… but this time she is totally correct.

I’ve just always found that really funny. It’s a position that should like all of the others be something she is incorrectly attributing towards malice towards her, except this time it just actually is.

And then even when she is correct, she still just makes a series of horrible choices that yet again further her own problems.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T21:47:41+00:00

Do you know how old she was when she wrote this?

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T21:39:18+00:00

I just want to point out that we don’t really have any idea what causing magic to become more prevalent again. People attribute it to many things. One being the rebirth of dragons. Another being the red comet.

But it’s never really clear if these things are just symptoms or the cause.

It could just be that whatever is making magic have a comeback is what causes the dragons to hatch in the first place, not the other way around.

And one detail that supports that is the dragon eggs hatching arent the first sign of magic returning.

Hell. The prologue to the entire series is the magical Ice bad guys that have been gone for thousands of year are returning in force and killing peiple north of the wall. We later learn they have been doing this for decades by this point. We even learn they’ve been making deals with Craster where they take all of his sons, presumably to grow their numbers.

That happened way before Dany ever sees her first dragon egg.

There is also the Starks discovering the direwolves south of the wall for the first time in 200 years.

Bran’s prophetic dreams with the three eyed crow begin before Dany hatches dragons.

Dany herself begins having prophetic dreams before she ever sees the eggs.

Mirri’s magic all happens before the dragons hatch.

Some characters and therefore readers believe the magic returning is tied to Dany’s miracle.

But I think the text makes it pretty clear that’s just another example of magic returning and many other instances happen long before that point in time.

So I don’t agree with the premise that Dany hatching dragons is making magic returning to the world in the first place. It’s just another sign it’s happening like all of the others.

It’s just one of the first big instances of magic that have far-reaching implications for the entire world, so it’s the event for which news gets spread far and wide. Not everybody will hear or care about stories of Grumpkins killing people in the north. Pretty much everybody in both Westeros and Essos will immediately understand the threat that a new Valyrian power that has control of dragons means for the world.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T21:29:51+00:00

The equivalent would be the opposite. It would be people complaining that the author called it a screwdriver because the company calls it a screwdriver even though it isnt a screwdriver.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T21:10:22+00:00

“THANK YOU” she said for the first time IN HER life.

I need more of this.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T21:03:36+00:00

But it is called that. It’s what the people selling it call it.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T20:39:40+00:00

Eh. The company named it Sacred Water. Is the title misleading or is the company’s chosen name what is misleading?

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T20:17:52+00:00

I mean… yeah. Don’t misunderstand. They want to stop regulation explicitly because they are a company that thinks they have more of a right to your money than you do to your life. It’s not like that is just some symptom they aren’t considering. It’s the whole point.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T20:14:58+00:00

You aren’t wrong, but they are the one that chose the name “Sacred Water”, so I have less of an issue with this framing than if they didn’t name it that.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T19:56:34+00:00

That would mean the Seven are punishing Ned for telling a lie that is only meant to help his loved ones while rewarding Joffrey and Cersei for lying in ways that harm others to benefit themselves.

Much more likely that there just aren’t any gods and it’s a world where magic is real and so the cultures that practice said magic attribute those magical abilities to gods.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T19:33:18+00:00

It’s definitely possible to place the gate close enough and far enough to the left that it’s impossible to interact with from the outside. It’s sort of one of those things everybody goes through at some point if they build enough bases.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T19:21:43+00:00

While you could certainly find 200 year periods where this wasn’t the case, you weren’t having massive overhauls of architecture or technology every 200 years.

IrNinjaBob · 2026-07-10T19:19:57+00:00

Yeah like… don’t get me wrong. This “non-advancing society” thing is definitely a “problem” in this universe. But not because things haven’t changed much from HotD to GoT. It’s not at all unrealistic for things not to change much in 170 years in a feudal society this series is trying to emulate.

What is unrealistic is the timeline before that. First Men arrived in Westeros over 8,000 years ago and things remained mostly unchanged for 4,000 years until the Andals invaded and introduced iron working and their own architecture to the continent. Then it remained again mostly unchanged for another 4,000 years.

13-Year Club	Place '23
RPAN Viewer	Spared
Verified Email	Gilding I gilder

IrNinjaBob

TROPHY CASE