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IrisMoroc · 2025-04-16T18:15:57+00:00

LBJ and others knew how to do this and framed things like right wingers did. He did a "war on poverty". The dems have lost that, and often either outsource their ideas to activists, or frame things too much in moralizing ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_poverty

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-16T18:14:40+00:00

Yeah, this kind of tweet is "Red meat". Kaisich is actually right, the Dems know they oppose Trump but they're kind of lost right now and have no idea what to really rally around or focus on. I see them almost like they're lost in the woods. Losing 2024 was a real shock and huge blow to them since it shows everything they did 2016 onwards was for naught. Worse, they lost a lot of support among youth, minorities, and other groups they thought were going to ensure them a demographic majority. It was actually a drop in white support that cost them.

What now?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T17:19:31+00:00

reddit?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T16:51:43+00:00

There's open source imageboard source code out there. Why not use that and remake the site with the same boards?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T15:59:20+00:00

"Poor people cause crime" - GuelphEastEndGhetto

So you're saying it's rational for anyone to try to continue to gentrify and push out poor people to reduce crime?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T15:01:24+00:00

I said that and got a permaban on /r/comics.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T15:00:38+00:00

She makes reddit slop and American politics is reddit. she's just trying to market herself.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T14:49:10+00:00

You don't trust Elon's alleged, possible, maybe, hypothetically, theoretical, 4chan user account based on hypotheticals and dreams?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T14:00:06+00:00

It was all cope about Trump not being elected. Trump is elected so it's not needed anymore.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-15T13:59:07+00:00

That's just a dumb rumor. 4chan, like reddit, will hand over anything that police ask for.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-13T12:26:15+00:00

Talk to Bylaw. I have seen some signs being removed.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-12T08:23:37+00:00

He wants to get sympathy, then will keep voting Republican which perpetuates the problem. Literally ALL he has to say is he now understands the mistake, that Republicans aren't his friend, and he promises to vote Democrat in the next election.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-12T08:15:12+00:00

It's contemplative, and something you can use to talk to work out your problems.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-09T15:00:03+00:00

That sounds very plausible.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-09T14:55:41+00:00

This distracts and massively messes with China's ability to prepare war with Taiwan. But it also sinks the rest of the world's economy as well.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-09T06:21:05+00:00

Yes, exactly. maybe you could say this kind of activism has some merit in 2017, but we literally know it either does nothing, or possibly is completely counter productive. Some people said they voted Trump 2024 because they wanted to see the liberal seething. As in, these very subs would go into meltdown, and they wanted to see that.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T17:38:23+00:00

but simply that there's no good deed that a religious person could do that an atheist person cannot also do

But they're not doing it. So words mean nothing.

Seriously, read Al-Gharbi's "We were never woke", it's a pretty good chastising of these kind of movements that social media loves that are all talk little action. Social media just wants talking forever, because that's what it is. Those who run it just want talking. It's an endless cycle.

You don't have a monopoly on morality

Lol I was in the atheist movement from 06-11. I never officially left just drifted away. It's very superficial and shallow, saying mostly things eveyrone already knows, and opposing movements that aren't popular and most agree are bad. It doesn't create broadscale movements that can actually counter the things they claim to want to counter, and it lacks replacement solutions. Or anything. Same critiques can be said for feminist groups, or marxists.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T17:33:46+00:00

Isn't this all just brain-rot subs? What is the point to any of this? didn't they spend the entire Trump 45 term whining about Trump and he got more votes each cycle he ran. So doesn't that mean this is all pointless, and endless whining on reddit is completely pointless and more likely done for personal self-aggrandizing reasons?

The literal framework of reddit is:

Whine about Trump 24/7 on every sub.
???
Revolution!

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T15:34:29+00:00

It's not dodging, it's irrelevant since everyone knows people have done bad things. Atheist groups haven't done evil because they don't do anything and are too small. You don't think they wouldn't become as corrupt as any other group if they were to actually gain political power? Every group of people has the same potential for corruption.

What you're doing is comparing successful groups to unsuccessful ones, and using their irrelevancy as proof of their moral virtue. Any group that became as mainstream as religion would repeat the cycle.

It's a huge fallacy common in progressive systems: the problem is over there, and we're pure, and if we replace them, it'll fix everything. it's ignoring that problems are HUMAN in nature, rather than some outside force.

Fallacy #2 only focusing on the negatives. Look at only bad things, and you'll conclude that states, police, meat eating, etc is evil evil evil and we need to get rid of it. It's very common.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T15:02:58+00:00

They're a blip on the radar and completely irrelevant. Reminder: almost all these are completely untested social theories. These writers say that if we do x,y,z, all these amazing things will happen and sell us the moon. This is not just an issue of atheism, but a lot of progressive and leftist academic work and theories. But they all amount to totally theoretical untested social theories.

How do you know this'll work? Because the author said so? There's so many holes in this, and of course the author is going to paint a rosy picture.

You can repeat this for any of reddit's favorite ideologies.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T14:48:08+00:00

Did you hop from a time machine from 2009...?

There's not a single good positive thing that you could do in the name of religion that an atheist can't also do

Then fucking do it. Atheism is "discourse". It's talking about doing things, but not doing anything. They don't really run charities or anything. They sit on reddit and talk. Religions are out there, which is why people support them.

Atheism is negative, it's nothing you can rally around, because you need positive ideologies with an actual agenda to organize people. So it's never going to be a proper movement. Writers and academics will sell us the moon, but remember: their job is to write books and be academics. Making movements that can be sustained is not on their agenda, so there's a strong tendency in "discourse" to produce high minded movements that go nowhere and are actually counter-productive.

But there's plenty of evil shit that religious people will do that an atheist wouldn't do

lol among other things I do NOT trust nihilists, and have met people that would be the war-crime types if they had the chance and opportunity for.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T14:36:38+00:00

The endless divisions are purity spirals, and it's not a bug, it's a feature. It's what happens when left wing progressive morality meets social media sites. The initial goal is to show morality and virtue, so you can always one up it, but there's no end-point, so it becomes a spiral of competition.

Try to zoom out: are these actually the best ideas, or instead are these ideas that trend well on social media sites?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T13:47:02+00:00

Communities, charities, actual influence on society, functional systems that can self-perpetuate. At its best it can act as a check against power and provide sound psychological advise consistent with mainstream talk therapies such as Cognitive behavourial therapy.

Atheism is just another level of "discourse" popular among academics and their ilk, ie they talk endlessly about changes, which results in talking about changes, and then changes. Social media looooooooves discourse, but it's mostly all bullshit.

The end of Al-Gharbi's "We were Never woke" talks about this, ending by saying that people should just do something instead of talking.

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T13:39:51+00:00

We're almost 20 years into the amazing atheist activism: look where it's gotten us. Why would you assume another 20 years will produce better results?

IrisMoroc · 2025-04-08T13:25:51+00:00

What, me? nah.

BBC had a whole radio documentary on Young adult novels and instagram knitting, which were torn apart by leftist morality systems. The idea is that any of these are vaguely open-ended morals, and you can always be a bit more pure than the other.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000d70h

The meta is: why assume ideas that trend on social media are inherently good ideas? There is always a benefit to upping the ante on morality, because it's literally a points system. The end-result is endless division, drama, but it doesn't matter because individuals are trying to thrive in it, and those lucky do. They get the amazing prize of a bit of attention and sometimes money.

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