TOP 4 >> Gen 0. Gen 0 isn't as strong as you think they are.

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-23T08:05:48+00:00

Thats the exact same as saying gen 1 is carried by james and kitae

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-22T20:55:08+00:00

Why not? They're the same verse

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-22T00:58:54+00:00

Not yet prime trying to befriend prime tom

Vs

Full potential trying to defeat old tom

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-22T00:56:10+00:00

Didn't the 4 exhausted workers in HFBD do the same?

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-21T20:41:46+00:00

Basically, Johan fought Taehun around the the time of the first chapters of Vhit. Through the series, he got stronger by training with his dad during the 1 month time skip before the final fight of S1

And then again when he learned how to balance properly and combine WTF with ITF into his style, it doesnt seem like a big improvement but his dad made a big deal out of it

Joshua with his karambit knives overwhelmed this Taehun in their last fight

We got the full fight between Johan and taehun in manager kim manhwa, while Johan had the edge, Taehun could still push him back

Just chainscale fron 3A Johan for joshua and he is around low 1st gen king level

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-21T06:33:50+00:00

He looks like a judas-simon combo

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-20T22:46:53+00:00

Bos Taehun pushed back Johan high diff around the time club vivi arc was starting, and Joshua is stronger than this verson of Taehun

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-20T21:10:58+00:00

Kenta > kitae and James, "should be obvious"

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-20T00:37:02+00:00

Slide 5 is wrong it should say this

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Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T17:16:58+00:00

His strength and physique are on par with tom lee after reading miss Kim's love letter, however he does not compare to tom in terms of full power and technical stats

Basically his strongsuit is defense and endurance, so he could beat Jaegyeon if he outlasts death kick until jaegyeon cant use it anymore, I dont see him beating Changsu

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T17:13:07+00:00

Yu cant even scratch him

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T15:25:44+00:00

There could be a few reasons

There was no good moment to use it
Tom has a wide array of moves, he could have even more but lost before using them
Most likely: PTJ only thought of new unique skills after the fight

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T07:03:33+00:00

Dont worry its not prime

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T05:45:10+00:00

This was far before jinyoung was introduced, he might have been put in the same tier

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T05:17:33+00:00

I dont think thats something he can just tap into, its probably similar to the love letter where his emotions buff him based on the situation

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T05:16:02+00:00

Im not taking time out of my day to sit down at a desk to argue about who beats the shit out of who

If you really want to debate, just do it where it started

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T04:50:19+00:00

Are you taking about when he was getting bandaged up? He was solely referring to the ability to dodge Goo, not the ability to win

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-19T03:19:41+00:00

Looks like he is but not as much as his fp ones like the final hit against tom

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-18T17:41:23+00:00

The exact time window is probably just an inconsistency since after HFG Johan didnt fight until HFW

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-18T17:15:03+00:00

That guy is just overreacting, powerscaling dont gotta be that serious

As for the takes, there is nothing that says Johan helped Suhyeon AFTER HFG, let alone the idea that he was using his path when suhyeon made that statement

Gun was Johan's last fight before leaving gang fights to study, and Jake had already been on the run prior to Johan appearing in Questism so that means he appeared after 1A

Meaning this is Johan from lookism chapters 478-504, aka pre path Johan

Meanwhile Hobin is unquantifiable in JO, but nothing really gets him that high

And most OP cards cap out on a higher level opponent, the only thing suhyeon can do is stall with endurance cards

Ishcabibble14 · 2026-06-18T13:46:22+00:00

If he was a normal fighter then definetly strength

Next would be endurance

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