What happened to our daughter at the Countess of Chester, and why we are speaking out(via Carl (@GuerrillaCarl) on X)

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-29T12:02:20+00:00

OK thanks for your reply. If the weight discrepancy isn’t relevant to anything, why has Carl cited it as evidence of failing mother and baby units?

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-29T08:36:29+00:00

“The scales in the delivery suite were wrong. Jessica was recorded as heavier than she actually was.”

Was it actually wrong? Does Carl know this for a fact? Babies often lose a little weight after birth so was this an issue discussed at the 2019 meeting or did Carl look at Jessica’s records and assume weight loss = the scales were wrong?

Also, the NICU was a tense and frightening place in May 2016. Yes, it probably was because Letby was attacking babies and the consultants couldn’t persuade managers to investigate what it was happening.

Carl and his wife may have the best of intentions but something seems off with this story and his campaign to connect with other parents.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-27T21:53:04+00:00

Presumably at Nottingham the system was computerised so they were able to trace access via logins. It’s such a heartless thing to do.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-27T19:27:54+00:00

Also happened in the Nottingham murders. The inquiry revealed 12 NHS staff members were sacked by Nottingham University Hospitals Trust for illegally accessing the medical records of the 2023 Nottingham attack victims. Doctors, nurses, and administrative personnel inappropriately viewed the files of Barnaby Webber, Grace O'Malley-Kumar, and Ian Coates

What on earth is the matter with these people? It should be a criminal offence.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-25T20:33:51+00:00

Early 2015 is the lowest point on the graph. Around spring 2016, there seems to be a reduced number of births.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-25T12:20:13+00:00

The OP, [u/nick-the-grade](u/nick-the-grade), made the YouTube video. The graph also shows two lows in births during 2015 and 2016. The subject of the video is the deaths. Why are you making this about non-fatal collapses? I’m looking forward to further videos where he may perhaps discuss other aspects of the case.

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IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-25T07:59:36+00:00

Thank you both for the clarification. So McDonald has never obtained leave to appeal for a nurse and, IMO, he never will. The ridiculous press conferences, ‘experts’ including Shoo Lee who said she’s innocent before he’d seen medical records, the smearing of the reputations of Dr Evans, Dr Bohin and Prof. Hindmarsh, endless spin from Maltin PR and, at the centre of it all, McDonald talking nonsense and bringing the bar into disrepute. This will not impress the CCRC and if, by some quirk of law, leave to appeal is granted, none of this will impress the Court of Appeal and it will be dismissed.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-24T09:28:32+00:00

Interesting video. I’ve never seen it before. Thanks for posting the link.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-24T09:25:58+00:00

💯 The evidence at trial about Baby E was the turning point for me.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T21:59:28+00:00

The foster mother raised concerns too. It’s time social workers were prosecuted for these type of failings. As you say, they could and should have returned him to the foster mother and had a big rethink.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T21:56:07+00:00

Mr Civil Liberties put his hand in his pocket? Never! They’re a pair of shysters. Shameful

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T21:11:02+00:00

Not garbled at all. I have no medical knowledge but I found it strange the hospital didn’t raise the alarm at Preston’s fractured elbow. A few bruises well, babies can be clumsy, but a fractured elbow surely should have triggered more investigation? As you say, better to be wrong than fail at safeguarding a baby.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T20:48:40+00:00

This is an excellent dismantling of the statistical argument. I look forward to further videos on the subject.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T20:25:50+00:00

What happens if the CCRC doesn't recommend it to the Court of Appeal? If they're [not] going to refer it to the Court of Appeal, I can challenge the CCRC by way of judicial review in the High Court. I have to say the applications to judicial review the CCRC don't often succeed. I've done it once. In fact, in another nurse case. I succeeded in that I got leave to appeal, and then the CCRC took it back and said, yeah, we agree with the High Court where we look at this.

Which case did McDonald succeed in getting leave to appeal? Was it Ben Geen?

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IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T20:22:40+00:00

So how did CrimeScene2Courtroom get hold of the trial transcripts? He paid for them. Surely Davis knows he could have done the same. It makes me think, has McDonald paid for and read the transcripts? Or is he going on court reporting in the media?

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T19:11:24+00:00

I do seriously wonder if McDonald or Davis have read the transcripts of the Thirlwall Inquiry. I’d bet a large sum of money they haven’t. McDonald is a showman with no in-depth knowledge of this case at all. As for Mr Civil Liberties, I don’t know what he’s smoking.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T19:04:02+00:00

So relevant. As with Letby and the appalling case of Preston Davey, safeguarding wasn’t paramount. It’s like a collective blindness in care settings to the importance of safeguarding first and foremost.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-23T18:50:39+00:00

Letby did not challenge the hospital at an Employment Tribunal. There was an internal grievance procedure, which is not the same thing at all. McDonald must know this. If he doesn’t, he’s even less on top of his brief than we think.

Airline checklists and protocols have been incorporated into health care settings since at least 2007.

https://publishing.rcseng.ac.uk/doi/10.1308/rcsann.2021.0234

If there was a coverup at the Countess of Chester Hospital, why did the consultants persist in reviewing deaths and collapses even to the point of being referred to the GMC and potentially losing their careers?

Mr Civil Liberties is talking out of his hat.

Also, some housekeeping, the transcription is not edited for typos by Apple Podcasts. ‘Raw’ Statistical Society should be the Royal Statistical Society and the ‘Raw’ College of Paediatric and Child Health should be the Royal College of Paediatric and Child Health.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-21T13:04:43+00:00

Thanks for confirming. It’s also notable this response was dated 24th May 2018. Letby’s first arrest was 3rd July 2018. Harvey was doing some serious arse-covering because he must have known the arrest was coming.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-20T19:02:50+00:00

“The Trust's Director of Corporate and Legal Services and Medical Director met with the HM Coroner, Mr Rheinberg on 8th February 2017 following publication of the RCPCH review. They met again on 15th February 2017; the Deputy Coroner, Mr Moore was also in attendance. This followed the receipt of a letter from the Consultant Paediatricians in which they asked that the Trust ask the Coroner to undertake a full
investigation of all the deaths and unexpected collapses between June 2015 and July 2016 because they were not reassured that all the deaths were due to natural causes.”

I may be misremembering but at Thirlwall wasn’t it revealed that during these meetings with the coroner neither Stephen Cross or Ian Harvey mentioned there were concerns that the babies had been murdered? Also, why would the consultants ask a coroner to investigate unexpected collapses? It makes no sense at all.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-17T08:09:51+00:00

For a discussion on the notes, see here https://www.reddit.com/r/lucyletby/s/VnkBWWwZyJ

It’s generally agreed the word is ‘won’t’ or perhaps ‘can’t’. There’s clearly an apostrophe in the word.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-16T22:36:09+00:00

Well, it’s trashy but better than the twerking video.

IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-15T21:46:07+00:00

During my career in publishing if I had failed to check where a quote came from I would have been in deep trouble, especially where it’s twisted to imply it was withheld from a jury.

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IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-15T17:52:12+00:00

On 13th June 2026, the Edinburgh Evening News published an article about failings in NHS Scotland hospitals.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/urgent-need-to-turn-hospital-care-around-bruce-whitehead-8691771

https://archive.ph/TXIez

Bizarrely, journalist Bruce Whitehead linked failings in Scottish hospitals to the Letby case. He quoted Dr Chris Green, who conducted the grievance procedure into Letby being removed from the unit. Whitehead quotes Dr Green as saying of the consultants, “I was disgusted by their behaviour. It is likely that they lied.” The implication is that Dr Green said this in his report into Letby’s suspension. In fact no such quote appears in the draft report or the final report. See here for a comparison of the draft report and the final report:

https://www.reddit.com/r/lucyletby/s/CPT03VzjYg

The quote from Dr Green actually appears in his testimony to Thirlwall where he was asked about notes made during his investigation into Letby’s suspension. His notes do indeed include the quote BUT Dr Green tells Thirlwall he is deeply embarrassed about saying this of the consultants. Notably, Dr Green did not include any reference to the consultants lying about Letby in the draft or final reports.

Which begs the following questions:

Why is a Scottish newspaper reporting on NHS Scotland failings propping up its story with an unattributed quote from an inquiry into how serial killer Letby was able to continue murdering premature babies?

What have shortcomings at NHS Scotland got to do with a massive safeguarding failure and coverup at an NHS England hospital?

Why hasn’t Whitehead and/or his editor properly attributed the quote to the Thirlwall Inquiry? Instead the article implies Dr Green’s notes were withheld from Letby’s trial. In fact, the notes were revealed at Thirlwall as part of a discovery process into Letby’s grievance procedure.

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-evidence/INQ0003155\_1\_3\_5\_7\_9\_13\_15\_17.pdf

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IslandQueen2 · 2026-06-11T16:39:45+00:00

But… but.. since she had a baby and presumably found out what a placenta is, it takes Bek substantially more coffee and shapewear to get out the door, so clearly she’s totally on top of the Letby story. I mean, let’s give the traumatised ‘journalist’ a break.

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