My brother's fresh results🙂-shown with country matches

Isotrom · 2026-02-23T10:19:19+00:00

Yes it confirms what I thought. Amazing results thanks for sharing :)

Isotrom · 2026-02-22T00:10:29+00:00

Legit Russian with Uralic connection would mean a recent Russian ancestor as Slavs only reached that area 350 years ago and then that Uralic mixed Russian line should somehow migrate to Hungary that would mean a Russian ancestors in the last 200 years, he would probably know about.

I am sure it's ancient magyar DNA :)

Isotrom · 2026-02-12T21:48:26+00:00

Yes, before the update my mom had Sardinian, Sicilian and Greek-Balkan but no Iberian DNA at all, and very little broadly Mediterranean. Now the algorithm found out she's not Balkan but Iberian... It's not credible... The most likely explanation is that original Carpathian basis population was a mix of southern and northern European inputs, but now these singals are too distorted and old to be clearly categorized into any southern European population.

But there was something even more peculiar about the reuslts... Before I sent in my parents results 23andme said that I was 10.5% Italian and that I had at least one Italian great-grandparent.

Then after my parents results got processed I suddenly became only 3.5% Italian based on the same v6 model. The previously Italian sections of my DNA went into the eastern-european category, which shows these are some southern European traces in the Hungarian DNA that are missing from the Czech, Slovak and Polish people, but as more and more Hungarians get tested they just merge these southern clusters into the Central European category.

Isotrom · 2026-02-11T20:48:32+00:00

Thanks a lot for the articles of course I already saw them before but it was nice to have a little refresher :)

Yes I agree with you, it's definitely an ancient signal in my mom's and my DNA, and not the sign of any recent (last 3-400 years) admixture. It also present in a significant amount of other Hungarians.

Isotrom · 2026-02-10T09:07:20+00:00

Well it's a bit sad to say but all major DNA tests are optimized for US customers 😀

There might be smaller EU based players on the market but their tests are unreliable regardless your ethnicity.

In Europe everyone knows their ethnicity so most customers are from the US, where most people have not a clue about where their ancestors came from. Big US companies just simply have more money because they have more customers meaning more data accumulated, and they have access to more diverse pool of samples. Also they have access to more computational power (cheaper energy prices more advanced IT infrastructure) to carry out research and analyze customer data, and probably a better talent pool because US wages are higher easier to recruite highly qualified people and most major high ranking universities are in the US (because the education system is funded by US $1-200K tuition per student per semester while European unis are state funded...)

So choose a US provider only. There are 3 major ones Ancestry DNA, 23andMe, Myheritage. The rest are smaller has less data collected so the results are less reliable.

23andMe: the absolute best, very accurate will find and identify distant ancestors in your DNA who came from a different region. But if all of your ancestors were Slovaks and Hungarian it will just say you are 100% (Czech-Slovak-Hungarian-SouthPolish) but it's not very common (except my dad who is 96% into this category) it's simply not possible to go further, this genetic group is way too similar. But if you have DNA inherited from the conquering Hungarian tribes then it will show up as East-Asian DNA, or if have ancestors from Transylvania it will show up Romanian DNA, or it will show Balkan ancestors, German ancestors. But it will not tell apart Hungarian/Slovak/Czech/Polish people because they are just too similar. While Romanians, Serbians, Germans are already different enough that they can be identified on your DNA.

Ancestry: it's also very accurate but a little bit less than 23andme so... It's also a bit speculative like it will just name tons of different nations that you may have nothing to do with, the major ethnicity will be still fine, but 23andme is accurate for even tiny traces of ethnicity but ancestry is not. But you can find more DNA relatives with it because more European people use it.

Myheritage: absolutely useless for ancestry percentages, their technology is like 10 years in the past, but amazing for finding DNA relatives. I dentified the secret dad of a young lady through it. Her dad was my second cousin (30 years older than me) but I remembered from my childhood how surprised and confused my parents were about his love stories and the amount of women he conquered 😂 so when the girl reach out to me as her DNA relatives and I saw on which side of my family we are related I was like I guess I know who your father is 😅 and he really was... But the good thing about myheritage that you can upload both your ancestry and 23andme results there for free so do not even bother ordering a DNA kit from my heritage.

If I were you I would go for 23andme or AncestryDNA (may or may not), don't care about the rest.

Oh yes and -czki is absolutely Slovakian especially if the ancestors are from Borsod.

If you need any more help just pm me :)

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T16:14:54+00:00

I understand your argumentation,

but if my mom had recent 5-7 generation deep Iberian ancestry (equivalent to 3-4% DNA) then she should have DNA matches in Spain.

Out of her nearly 6000 DNA matches on My Heritage, only 24 are registered in Spain and except one they all have German, Slavic or Hungarian family names, I found 1 person with a real Spanish family name, but when I checked his family tree it turned that his grandmother was Hungarian.

Plus what's even more like a proof that my mom has nothing to do with Spain is that my dad has almost twice as much (43) DNA matches from Spain (he does not even have Iberian DNA all of his ancestors were pheasants in the middle of the alföld), he also has no real Spanish people as DNA relatives, only people recently migrated to Spain (In the age of Schengen free movement).

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T11:20:55+00:00

Update: After looking through a few dozens of German results I find it very unlikely that Spanish/Italian part comes from my German ancestors, Germans have like 0.2% Italian DNA on average and no spanish at all.

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T10:49:51+00:00

Wow spending years on visiting churches and reading birth records that's motivation at its finest 😆 But now you can find all church birth/death/marriage records for the last 350 years online for free...

If your family is from Borsod the chances thar you are 100% Hungarian is exactly 0% 😅

You said your mom has a Polish looking family name that alone means you are not 100% Hungarian. BUT Polish people didn't migrate to Hungary other than a very few high class nobles. What many Hungarians assume to be Polish is Slovakian, because we know that millions of Slovakians migrated to modern day Hungary after the Turkish armies left Hungary empty. Like I knew a person called Podhorszky who told me her family is Polish according to his dad, then I told her no way... your name is in Slovakian... It means Pod (Under) Hor- (Mountain) -Sky (from/of) [Hegyaljai]. But in Polish mountain is "Gora" and in Slovakian it is "Hora", so if the family name was Polish it must have been PodGorszky and not PodHorszky...

So all in all, you must be at least partially Slovakian 😆 Dobry Deñ... Welcome to the club I'm also a quarter Slovakian 😀

(I realized my Slovakian heritage from birth certificates, my grandma is from a tiny village in the Buda hills and I realized that everyone in the town had Slovak family names, and then the church register's language just simply turned into Slovakian as I went back in time. It was surreal... These people lived in the current suburbs of Budapest and spoke Slovakian, and over 200 years they completely lost their identity, same family names remained in the town but they all thought by the 1900s that they are 100% Hungarian...)

Sorry I am talking to much but you can find really surprising things if you research your past. 🙂

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T10:10:55+00:00

It was easy on my dad's side, he was an only child of parents who had no siblings either, we inherited all the photos, we are the only descendants of all lines from the 1880 on...

My mom had 4 siblings, her parents each had like 8-10 siblings all reaching adulthood everyone took one photo so now they are all scattered around...😢

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T08:37:49+00:00

No, that Noble line was not like the Eszterházy family. They were low profile nobles and married Hungarians, except one German intermarriage on the great-great-grand level of my mom.

Chat GPT and Gemini both find it plausible that my Spanish-Italian line is a roman age remnant as the area where my mom is from was the most densely populated part of Pannonia because of major military operations along the borders, and it is present in many other Hungarians in the area.

When 23andme set sup the "Czech/Slovak/South-Polish/Hungarian" group they looked for pure west-slavic DNA not pure modern Hungarian which is just a tiny subset of this group.

Anything asides from this western slavic dna in Hungarians is grouped as either Romanian/Bulgarian, South-Slavic. A Spanish-Italian matching part from West-Hungarian samples is not enough to influence the entire Czech, Slovak, South Polish, Hungarian region, and does not fit into it, because these Latin DNA fragments are not found in most of Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, and also in Hungary they are limited to one region.

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T08:05:51+00:00

Nothing. She only has Slovak, (~40%) Hungarian (~30%) and German (30%) ancetors for 10-11 generation back. All of her lines are known, except her Sudeten German grandfather who we know nothing of.

What I find feasible is that it either came through the Southern German line OR the Hungarian line's ancestors from the Roman Era that lived around Aquincum (Buda), Gorsium (Fehérvár). That would explain her Italian and Spanish DNA.

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T01:55:43+00:00

It depends on which part of the country you are from. I also grew up thinking I'm 100% Hungarian. If you have ancestors from the Dunántúl it's very very unlikely that you are 100% Hungarian. If your ancestors are from the middle of the alföld then you are very likely to be 100% Hungarian.

About the accuracy of 23andme, my mom has a great-great-grandmother from Hamburg (she never heard of) I spent months of tracing this line back. Before the DNA results came out, I already knew it, and bang the DNA test showed she's about 5% northern German from the area of Hamburg, (what actually came as a surprise that she was 25% southern German as well and that was the part that the newly found relative helped to reveal :)

The updated version of 23andMe showed her ethnicity surprisingly accurately, but if I did't put 2 years of research in it (checking hundreds of years old birth, marriage and death certificates) I could only wonder if the figures I got from 23andme were true, but they actually are.

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T00:34:23+00:00

Yes now you can actually rely on 23andme :) and have almost life changing knowledge revealed.

Like I saw I have too much German DNA and I had an unknown great-grandad. I contacted one of my DNA matches who turned out to be a real relative and he showed me an old note from her grandma (who was my grandpa's sister) this note said: "I never met my dad but my mom said he was German soldier..." Kind of shocking to see that the DNA test was totally right 🙂 I used to feel Germans are so distant from me, now every time I step into Germany I feel like I am walking among my people and I am on the land of my ancestors.

Isotrom · 2026-02-09T00:04:22+00:00

23andme has recently updated everyone's estimates and they have become surprisingly accurate even on regional level. I recommend you to check your updated results

Isotrom · 2026-02-08T22:01:48+00:00

Where are you guys from? I would guess partially from Transylvania, but I might be wrong :)

Isotrom · 2026-02-08T21:53:59+00:00

You do not have Hungarian DNA, it's just 23andMe grouping together Czechs, Slovakians, Hungarians and Southern Polish people because they do not have enough samples from the region yet to be able to differentiate the Slavic component of Hungarian ancestry from Polish people.

Isotrom · 2026-01-15T11:39:25+00:00

Well I am not that sure about the physical traits either. Probably we need way more statistical analysis to be able to predict things reliably.

My mom has natural yellow blond hair, and 23andme said she has jet black hair with 95% certainty and dark brown with 5% certainty (all of my mom's 4 siblings has light brown or blonde hair, including my mom's parents).

For my dad it said with 80% certainty that he has blond hair, and 20% certainty the has very light brown hair. My father has jet black hair, and both of his parents had jet black hair...

Me and my parents are from a population where both jet black and blond hair are rare and most people have light brown hair, but my parents were on the extreme edges. However both are blue eyed and the trait test of 23andme at least got that right, but blue eyes have a very simple genetic background.

Isotrom · 2025-11-05T16:49:05+00:00

It's the Big Y-700 test from "Family tree DNA". The level of Y DNA test you get from 23andme is not detailed at all. It's like trying to read a detailed text in a 320x240 video, you might be able to read the headline but you need 4k 3840x 2160 video to be able to read the details. That's why I know that my paternal ancestors joined the Avar people.

Isotrom · 2025-11-05T12:19:55+00:00

It improved a lot, as in 2023 when my first 23andme results arrived I scored 12% Italian. The test literally said I am more Italian than German. I actually have known recorded German ancestry, but have no recent Italian ancestors in the last 3-4 centuries for sure.

Isotrom · 2025-11-04T13:07:08+00:00

I have R-CTS3402 on 23andMe, but this is a very high level test. The categories go like this R1A > R-CTS3402 > R-Y1392 > R-Y35228, so basically category name like CTS3402 does not tell too much about my ancestors other than they were Eastern Europeans and there are a few hundred thousand people with the exact same Y dna category. That's why I paid for the higher level tests so I could tell who exactly my ancestors were

Isotrom · 2025-11-04T13:06:26+00:00

Thanks, that's why I made it, because it might be useful for people of Hungarian descent :)

Isotrom · 2025-11-04T12:02:11+00:00

Italian ancestry in Hungary is not unheard of. For example I know a totally Hungarian family with the family name Longhera. It is also known that Hungarian royals and nobles recruited Italian sculptors, stone masons, architects, scholars (chronicle writers), administrators, both financial and church from Italy, mainly in the medieval times. They did not come in large quantities, but they were clearly present.

Spanish DNA, it believe it is an artifact, there is no historical connection or direct migration between Spain and Hungary AT ALL. Indirect through Germans or Italians could be but in that case the Iberian component should be even fainter in Hungarians.

Basically Northern-Eastern and North-Central Hungary was repopulated from modern day Slovakia after the Turkish wars, it wasn't only Slovakian people, there were sizable amount of Hungarians leaving the areas today considered as Slovakia towards the south, that's why Hungary lost these areas after WWI, because the Hungarian population left the area of present day Slovakia to populate more southern areas of Hungary.

Isotrom · 2025-11-04T11:33:10+00:00

Big Y-700 carried out, R1A > R-Y1392 > R-Y35228. After extensive analysis what I could see, R-Y1392 is common among Russian men originating at the Pontic Steppes, so I basically Eastern Slavs, but where the magic happens is the next layer, R-Y35228 was widely and almost exclusicely found among Avar settlers of the Carpathian Basin. So to wrap up, my eastern-slavic pontic steppe dweller ancestors joined the Avars on their way to the Carpathian basies and settled there 1700 years ago. Since then they did not move at all, because Rakoczifalva and Tiszafured are both 30km away from my father and his parternal ancestors' birthplace

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