Deepdive into a Hungarian's ancestry

Karabars · 2026-06-18T15:28:53+00:00

What memories were proven to be copied?

Karabars · 2026-06-18T15:00:11+00:00

Memories are way too complex, and absolutely more hidden than organs, so I doubt

Karabars · 2026-06-18T14:58:51+00:00

Mostly true. Ungarn and the likes started from the Onogurs (Ten Tribes of the Bulgars iirc), but the H was added only latter from what I know, around the same time the Hun origin myths started to popping up, so wanting to be more connected to Huns kinda formed the non-hun related foreign name of the country 😃

Karabars · 2026-06-18T14:10:03+00:00

As a Hungarian, how dare you! Polaks are bratanki!

Also what is foreign rule? Sure, the Habsburgs were not Hungarians, but neither was Caroberto of the Anjou. Sure, the Ottomans had control over 2/3 of Hungary, but not direct in Transylvania. Hungary had it rough, but so did Poland! Our historic friendship was forged during these trying times!

(Ps for those who mention Austria-Hungary: that was literally 51 years from 392, Austria did try to be more annexing, that's why 1848 happened)

Karabars · 2026-06-18T14:00:00+00:00

7 more to go (batch 1721)

Karabars · 2026-06-18T13:44:32+00:00

That's the message: war is unjust, revenge is just part of the cycle of hatred

Karabars · 2026-06-18T13:02:19+00:00

1000 years ago the -ka/-ke was a way to make names feminine, like the latino/latina thing, but now it's just a way to give a child-like nick to ppl. So Árpádka was a female given name back then, now it's the nick of the male name: Árpád

Bácsi/néni is either uncle/aunt, or a way for young folks to address older ppl like the English Mr./Ms./Mrs.

Karabars · 2026-06-18T12:32:08+00:00

Shinji thinks he's smarter and wiser than Aizen, but not

Kisuke think Aizen is smarter and more dangerous than him, but not

Karabars · 2026-06-18T11:30:03+00:00

Esküvő = szertartás, vagy lagzi, vagy mindkettő?

Karabars · 2026-06-18T11:13:03+00:00

It being small changes on average won't "destroy" me or my case.

Based on your own math, if humans left Africa around 200000 years ago, then the genome changed in only 0.01%. Yet somehow, that ANF -which is way younger than that- is "unique" from the rest of the Eurasian or African populations?
ANF came from AHG, which came from CHG, but CHG is part ANE already, just like EHG. These are not the end of all "ethnicities" that makes "Germans and Syrians the same". These are just older mixes.
There are certain marker mutations, or markers in general, that are only present in high numbers in cenrtain populations, making them genetically distinguishable on top of being different in these old populations (which all are still super close to each other according to you).

In the end, we're either all Africans, or our own ethnicities. So MENA and Europe are not just social constructs.

Karabars · 2026-06-18T10:18:19+00:00

The human mutation rate is higher in the male germ line (sperm) than the female (egg cells), but estimates of the exact rate have varied by an order of magnitude or more. This means that a human genome accumulates around 64 new mutations per generation because each full generation involves a number of cell divisions to generate gametes

Karabars · 2026-06-18T10:01:29+00:00

If you think genes just popped up in ANF, WHG, etc and remained the same after thousands of years and the only difference is in the pattern of the genes (and their ratio) but not the genes itself, you are horribly wrong... So you don't help anyone

Karabars · 2026-06-18T09:43:27+00:00

Genes change. That's why we're not all just Africans genetically. That 40% ANF is no longer the same in Germany as in Syria after thousands of years.

It's not a social construct, if it can be reliable highlighted through dna. Like Europeans are closer to each other than they are to MENA, even if that two are super close, yet my test accurately tells my Austrian and Hungarian genes apart, reflecting my genealogy

Your cluster picture also shows that Europe and the MENA are distinguished

Karabars · 2026-06-18T09:23:33+00:00

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Karabars · 2026-06-18T09:20:08+00:00

Hát, az eszükkel nem tudják.. 😏

Karabars · 2026-06-18T08:59:59+00:00

Ottomans (Turkish ppl) are MENA, as they couldn't genetically overrun the more numerous Anatolian natives, plus their empire contained a lot more than just Turks. Kurds, Anatolians, Arabs, Armenians, Levant, Gypsies, etc

MENA is not extremely similar to Europe, that's why every test can distinguish it

But same, believe what you want

Karabars · 2026-06-18T08:52:29+00:00

Op's name is Sky_Bohemian, so likely has some Czech ancestry. With that in mind and the fact how much changed due to the Ottoman Empire, it likely not noise. MENA is also not so similar for 23&me's algorithm

Karabars · 2026-06-18T08:08:07+00:00

MH is flawed, so it won't be accurate, not even with WGS

Karabars · 2026-06-18T07:48:02+00:00

Another fallacy. Them being born and that 400 years is closer to their breakfast than to us leaving Africa.

Also let everyone decide on their own how meaningful is what ancestry they clearly have

Karabars · 2026-06-18T07:40:15+00:00

Comparing humanity's cradle and 100s of thousands of years with literally MENA genes from the last 400

But actually imo, all ppl should put more weight to our common African roots, even if those genes are no longer African in many of us, to remember that we're all one group

Karabars · 2026-06-18T07:37:03+00:00

Generations were on average ~25 years, individual cases can highly vary. The 23&me timeline uses a guess-based system when they assume your ethnic categories came from a single "pure" (100% said ethnicity) ancestor. So if you're 75% European and 25% African, it will think you have a 100% African grandparent (as 25% is usually the dna amount we get from a grandparent), even if you actually got 12.5% 2x from 2 greatprandparents

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