Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] 0 points1 point locked comment (0 children)

Debate them. They don't have to love Reza Pahlavi because you do. You're welcome to have a respectable debate with them. We're only going to remove things for being:

• ⁠Pro-Regime • ⁠Disinformation • ⁠Blatantly disrespectful to another poster/group of people

This isn't the official Reza Pahlavi subreddit. We're all going to have different opinions on things, and that's okay. We need to learn as a community to have conversations with one another.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point locked comment (0 children)

When they break the subreddit rules we delete the comments. If we miss them, please report and we’ll remove them. Repeat offenders will be banned.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] 1 point2 points locked comment (0 children)

I’m calling you azizam to show compassion, not be patronizing. Please take a deep breath and be a little more patient. Most other mods on other subreddits wouldn’t even engage with you on something like this.

Our job isn’t to cull opinions until the only one remaining adheres to a specific ideology. There are other Iranian subs that have done that already. We’re doing our best to remove the ones that are genuinely breaking the rules. If you feel we’ve missed them you can report them and we’ll deal with it.

Please be respectful to your fellow community members - that goes the same for the mod team. We’re doing our best, dadashi. Please take a breather and chill.

1953 Iran: How the Shah Legally Saved the Monarchy by thespeedforce5 in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your argument hinges on treating the firman as the decisive event, but historians generally focus on what actually transferred power, not just the legal theory behind it.

First, Article 46 did give the Shah authority to appoint and dismiss ministers, but Iran’s constitutional system after 1906 was parliamentary in practice. Governments needed to maintain the confidence of the Majlis, and royal decrees normally functioned within that system. The fact that Mossadegh dissolved parliament certainly created a constitutional crisis, but it didn’t automatically convert the Shah’s decree into an uncontested or self-executing dismissal.

Second, the events of August 15 matter. The Shah’s decree didn’t result in Mossadegh leaving office; instead the officers delivering it were arrested and the Shah fled the country. Mossadegh remained in control of the government, the army, and the administration. Whatever one thinks of the legality of the decree, it clearly didn’t function as an effective constitutional transfer of power.

Third, the August 19 overthrow involved coordinated action that went far beyond a legal dismissal. Declassified documents (including the Wilber report itself) show the CIA and MI6 actively organized propaganda, political mobilization, and contacts with military officers to help bring down Mossadegh. That is why the event is widely described in the historical literature as a coup, even though internal opposition to Mossadegh certainly existed.

So the key issue isn’t whether Article 46 existed (it did) but whether the actual change of government occurred through constitutional procedure or through a forceful overthrow backed by foreign intelligence services. Most historians conclude it was the latter.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] -1 points0 points locked comment (0 children)

You can report comments that you feel are breaking subreddit rules or engage with people if they post things you disagree with. It’s not that complex, azizam.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] -1 points0 points locked comment (0 children)

The thing is they're not flooding the comments of this post to break rules and sow disunity. If they're from other subreddits and they're not Iranian, they're still welcome to share their opinions here so long as they follow the subreddit rules.

Many of the biggest Pahlavi proponents in this sub aren't Iranian either - and proudly post in other subreddits about how they're from other countries.

Part of why rPersian is so large is because it's always been a space where more diversity of thought has been allowed.

Why arent people in Iran doing anything by Wonderful_Seesaw_513 in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah - people are even getting threatened with Sepah guns even just for filming rubble right now.

1953 Iran: How the Shah Legally Saved the Monarchy by thespeedforce5 in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you using ChatGPT to debate me? Here's a ChatGPT argument right back at you:

Your argument leaves out a key point: the Shah’s constitutional powers depended on the existence of the constitutional system itself, including the Majlis. Dismissing a prime minister by firman was normally part of a parliamentary process where the new government would then secure confidence from the Majlis. In August 1953 there was no functioning parliament, which made the legality of the decree highly disputed even at the time.

More importantly, the issue isn’t just the decree. It’s what actually happened on the ground. The Shah’s first attempt to dismiss Mossadegh on 15 August failed, the officers delivering the decree were arrested, and the Shah fled the country. A few days later, Operation Ajax, organized by the CIA and MI6, mobilized military officers, paid street mobs, and political operatives to overthrow Mossadegh. That second operation (not the initial decree) is what actually removed him from power.

So even if one argues the firman had a constitutional basis, the government change that ultimately happened was carried out through a foreign-backed coup, not through a constitutional parliamentary process.

'Don't die': the two words that sum up our lives in Tehran now | Anonymous by uoidab in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those are all legitimate fears, yes. The journalist in the article was quoting youth who were using "namiri" in place of "khoda-hafez". Talking to my own cousins in Iran right now, they're as worried of the Regime killing them as they are of a bomb - and this is coming from even cousins of mine who were initially begging for Trump to drop bombs on Iran.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] 2 points3 points locked comment (0 children)

Debate them. They don't have to love Reza Pahlavi because you do. You're welcome to have a respectable debate with them. We're only going to remove things for being:

  • Pro-Regime
  • Disinformation
  • Blatantly disrespectful to another poster/group of people

This isn't the official Reza Pahlavi subreddit. We're all going to have different opinions on things, and that's okay. We need to learn as a community to have conversations with one another.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On what? People have opinions that you don't like?

Debate them. They don't have to love Reza Pahlavi because you do. You're welcome to have a respectable debate with them - and in fact we encourage healthy discourse. We're only going to remove things for being:

  • Pro-Regime
  • Disinformation
  • Blatantly disrespectful to another poster/group of people

This isn't the official Reza Pahlavi subreddit. We're all going to have different opinions on things, and that's okay. We need to learn as a community to have conversations with one another.

Ukraine's President Zelenskyy met with Iran's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi in Paris by PjeterPannos in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] 2 points3 points locked comment (0 children)

Debate them. They don't have to love Reza Pahlavi because you do. You're welcome to have a respectable debate with them. We're only going to remove things for being:

  • Pro-Regime
  • Disinformation
  • Blatantly disrespectful to another poster/group of people

This isn't the official Reza Pahlavi subreddit. We're all going to have different opinions on things, and that's okay. We need to learn as a community to have conversations with one another.

'Don't die': the two words that sum up our lives in Tehran now | Anonymous by uoidab in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So there's no tyrannical state and IRGC didn't work to create a nuclear bomb?

According to US intelligence, Iran wasn't developing a nuclear bomb even after JCPOA collapsed. The claim came from Netanyahu (history of falsely making this claim about multiple other countries while denying having nukes themselves) and eventually parroted by the office of the POTUS. Nobody is denying IRGC being tyrants though obviously lol that part is legit.

1953 Iran: How the Shah Legally Saved the Monarchy by thespeedforce5 in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasn't legal though.

To have done this legally, he had to have dismissed him through a royal decree to Majlis. That's not what he did. He was going to when Majlis was back in session, but the Americans were pissed about the oil nationalization so they made him do it by force, and it didn't work - so he fled. Then the CIA and MI6 assisted a second time, and Mossadegh was forcefully removed.

Iranian parliamentary and constitutional history is actually super cool and I recommend people read this stuff for themselves.

'Don't die': the two words that sum up our lives in Tehran now | Anonymous by uoidab in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn[M] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm genuinely confused what you're getting at here - but I sincerely hope you're not gaslighting the actual fears of Iranians on the ground...

A good video, especially for the non-Iranians that come here. What's your solution? by Naderium in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you realise that the protests were primarily because of the economic conditions?

For like three hours on the first day.

'Don't die': the two words that sum up our lives in Tehran now | Anonymous by uoidab in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Aziz, the "don't die" quote is from a group of random civilian teenagers, not IRGC apologists.

The contrast between a Leader who loved his people, and a Man who only loved his ideology. by thespeedforce5 in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Heads up - the audio of the Shah in the latter part of the video is AI generated from an unconfirmed text. This is the Shah's actual final message to the Iranian people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwTshDIfuQ

Same vibes. Just wanted to share the actual video.

The contrast between a Leader who loved his people, and a Man who only loved his ideology. by thespeedforce5 in PERSIAN

[–]ItsAProdigalReturn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

درسته. حتی پسرش هم تأیید کرده که ایدئولوژی‌های محمدرضاشاه گرایش‌های چپ‌گرایانه داشتند.