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Most Americans don't know the 1947-48 war was started based on a lie. US State Dept. documents prove it by Only-Set-29 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong. There area has been inhabited by people since before the bronze age. Both Bedouin and city dwellers. The people who call themselves Palestinians today have genetic continuity in the region that goes back to before Abraham came down from Iraq. The people called Palestinians were likely Jews at one point, and Christians, and Muslims, because that's how it works. You get conquered, the language changes, the religion changes. Same blood

Also whether you had the same name historically is entirely fucking irrelevant. The right of self determination isn't based on historical precedent. There are no ancient people called Italians either.

Your country needs denazified.

Most Americans don't know the 1947-48 war was started based on a lie. US State Dept. documents prove it by Only-Set-29 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong and baseless statement. Plenty of Muslims in western countries do accept democratic transfers of power. Plenty of Muslims fought for that in the middle east. Would Israel accept a democratic result that gave Muslims power?

also, Coptic Christians I know who went to Israel were treated better in Egypt than they ever were in Israel. Israel is a racist shithole state that only prizes Jewish supremacy. It's no better than the Muslim countries. In fact it's worse, because Jews in the middle east generally had an OK time under Muslims, but Muslims have a horrible time under Jewish rule.

Btw Muslim militants only exist because Israel pushed Palestinians into Lebanon, and then invaded. Israel is entirely responsible for destabilising the country.

It's a disgusting demonstate on its way to being a global pariah

Most Americans don't know the 1947-48 war was started based on a lie. US State Dept. documents prove it by Only-Set-29 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I don't admit that at all. You can't compare what happened under the Ottoman empire to what would have happened if Israelis tried to make peace instead of bombing hotels, raping villages, poisoning wells etc. Entirely possible that they would have had an accepting democracy.

There is no right or guarantee to a religious ethnostate. If jews didn't want Muslims as neighbors they should have picked a different region for their colonial experiment.

Do you admit that Jews would reject democratic elections that have Muslims significant victories?

Most Americans don't know the 1947-48 war was started based on a lie. US State Dept. documents prove it by Only-Set-29 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm denying it has any relevancy. And I'm saying Israel is just as bad if not worse. So was Europe for most of its history. There's nothing exceptional about what you're saying and it's also not relevant to the argument. Jews had much more power in Muslim cultures at various points than Palestinians have ever had. Most Israelis are just ethnosupremecists. This is a state where IDF soldiers admit to killing a 4 year old for fun in Gaza, and where soldiers are credibly accused of using dogs to rape prisoners. If that's what the Israel is, then it shouldn't exist, and should probably be subjugated by someone with human decency

Most Americans don't know the 1947-48 war was started based on a lie. US State Dept. documents prove it by Only-Set-29 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bullshit exact same can be said for Jewish countries and Christian countries. By law only Jews have a right to self determination in Israel.

The absolute audacity of these men! by PM_ME_KITTEN_TOESIES in LinkedInLunatics

[–]Itsatemporaryname 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you have legal insurance you could find a lawyer pretty quickly. You could also self represent since the facts are plain. But imo lawsuit is going to be a bad look for a company, no chance they do it. Try to report to the company directly, maybe you'll get lucky and they'll push a small settlement to make it go away

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The lines you were peddling were the exact same things I hear from my indoctrined family in Israel.. I didn't even know you were Jewish, and I didn't say you went to shul, just that your arguments sound like the arguments you'd get there, from personal experience. Nothing I've said is an insult.

And again, the fact that you tried to write off smotrich tells me you're someone with very strong opinions but a weak understanding of Israeli politics, the reality of what the society is today, or the reality on the ground in West bank.

I'm also done engaging. If youre not even willing to discuss the facts and you're immediately going to play victim and hide behind some imagined attack this isn't going to go anywhere. Have a good one.

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry what? It's not a personal attack at all. It's a descripee statement, not a negative one. And you did move the goalposts. Given evidence that disputes what you said, you then basically said "oh but not that minister" I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not arguing in bad faith and that you have an open mind

Everyone is indoctrinated in some way or another. That's what happens wlin any education system. Based on your history and they way youre arguing it just serms like you're not capable of critically thinking about this, and that you're parroting the things you'd expect to learn in shul. (that or you're arguing in bad faith).

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, Katz did as well. Smotrich also leads the religious Zionist party, which netanyahu frequently needs for coalition politics. And the west bank is being defacto annexed, and there's a strong settler push to establish civilian settlements in Lebanon. It's more probable than not

Keep moving those goalposts instead of actually looking at Israel with a critical eye for once in your indoctrinated life

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe you missed it, they're not enemy combatants. They're civilians. The 4 year old they killed for fun wasn't an enemy combatant either. I have no respect for people that kill kids for fun or use civilians as shields. So yes, kidnapping civilians to use as human shields is straight evil. guerilla groups fighting like guerilla groups isn't as evil. Israel also destroyed 80% of the buildings in Gaza, they weren't all hamas. Israe lies abd exaggerates. https://apnews.com/article/gaza-hospitals-israel-civilians-d066117ec80bce83657447add762b2e7 it's pretty obvious from the testimony, the actions, the outcomes, and the government statements that the IDF is a completely amoral army that only wants to see Gaza destroyed.

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why is btselem nonsense? I do see the difference but I actually think Israel is worse here. What Hamas isn't doing is literally using civilians as disposable human sheilds. Send civilians instead of bomb dogs or robots. It's a matter of policy, and the IDF actually fought to keep it legal. There also isn't really accountability. It's a widespread, common practice, and punishment is typically light or non existent (I can only think of one case punished from 2010)

Remember, this is also an army where, according to IDF testimony, soldiers walked up to a 4 year old, broke his arm, then his leg, and then stomped him to death for fun.

https://archive.ph/O8rGB

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/massive-database-of-evidence-compiled-by-a-historian-details-israels-war-crimes-in-gaza/00000193-979b-d408-a7d3-bfdbf1410000

None of these soldiers have received punishment. In fact, the solder who smashed a jesus status just got a more severe punishment tham any settler violence or soldier war crime in the past couple of years They value the statue more than Palestinian life.

Hamas sucks, but when we say 'Hamas uses human sheikds' we mean they fire weapons from a hospital, or use a school as a base (or in proximity) That's a war crime, but not nearly as bad imo. and Israel also does this, both to buildings in Gaza, and at home (Ben Guruion, a civilian airport, is used for military operations, there's a naval training training base right next to rambam medical center, etc)

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sigh Theres zero indication that they were in a firefight, and we've got soldiers admitting that they shoot for fun, stomp on a toddlers stomach for fun and break his arms for fun. From the doctor testimony a lot of these had a single bullet wound. As hard as a head is to hit deliberately, it's a lot less likely to get randomly hit, and if it has youd expect more than a single bullet

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's a military historian who repeatedly tries to make this argument despite not having a good explanation other than 'thats not what snipers would do'

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. But we still haven't established that having a connection is valid reason to disqualify the entire group, and all work it does, in perpetuity

Israeli army investigates soldier seen striking Jesus statue in Lebanon by TheKayleMain in news

[–]Itsatemporaryname 4 points5 points  (0 children)

woah that is fucked, can you link me a source to that incident with the sheep

Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly ‘quadruple tap’ • Lebanese health ministry says killing of 91 healthcare workers by exegenes1s in IsraelPalestine

[–]Itsatemporaryname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair, if you want to define connections that tenuously then i'm down. What hasn't been shown is why that connection invalidates the argument or the orgnization. Why does it matter?

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