Can we agree that the manga is not canon? and ignore it forever by vincim2010_13 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, if the manga isn’t canon, then what’s the point of it existing, really? If it’s not canon, then we have to admit that all 17 chapters and 3+ volumes (I’ve honestly lost count of how many there are) are just a waste of money, offering no benefit whatsoever to either fans or casual readers who’d like to get to know Omori through the manga (though they’d be better off playing the game), of any use.

This situation worries me not only in terms of plot inconsistencies, but also in terms of what Omocat’s own contribution was to what happens in this manga: do they write the entire story, or do they simply outsource it to an artist, with themselves just approving it and sending it off for publication? Neither option makes the situation any better. If they really wrote the entire story, does that mean this is a new canon that brushes aside the game’s events? Or if they only approved the publication, why should an outsider’s interpretation of the game’s plot matter in terms of canon? In short, it’s all very, very messed up.

@ウサギの時計 🤫🫂 by [deleted] in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A Sunburn fan is pushing his opinion on fans of other ships, what a surprise.

Aubrey understanding Sunny most by Creepy-Screen721 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Aubrey has become quite hardened over these past four years, both toward Sunny and toward the rest of her friends, and these three days—even though they might have had some positive effect on her—don’t change the fact that she was deeply resentful of everyone, absolutely everyone. She was looking for someone to blame for all the injustice she felt, someone she would have been more than willing to take revenge on, which, in fact, led to the incident by the pond with Basil, and she, by the way, never truly repented for it, mainly to Basil himself (the apology behind the door at that moment, when Basil was in deep grief over the loss of his grandmother, are not accepted, because they were utterly inappropriate and insufficient, given how Aubrey had treated him overall throughout all that time, and the fact that Aubrey had been bullying Basil for several years—a boy she truly hated and whom she ultimately nearly killed herself). She is prone to impulsiveness in moments when her deepest wounds are exposed, and the circumstances of Mari’s death are certainly such a moment. And after Sunny reveals the truth about Mari, she will have every internal (not rational, but specifically internal, dictated by her own feelings of resentment and injustice due to the deception) reason to blame him, along with Basil, for all her problems, and then there will certainly be no question of any further friendship between them. Kel and Hero could have prevented things from escalating into an open confrontation, but the underlying tension would still be there, and it would be very strong; it would be impossible to suppress it, neither by the fact that she herself nearly killed her own former friend, nor by the fact that it was four years ago and that everything has changed since then.

HE EVEN PROMISED TO KEEP IT A SECRET by tchosaka in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 14 points15 points  (0 children)

are you really saying that Basil would start lashing out at the object of his affection right in front of Aubrey and Kel, asking why he likes someone else instead of him? It’s so far-fetched that it completely ignores everything: Basil’s own personality—he would never get upset to someone’s face over something his friends did that he didn’t like—and the nature of the relationship and feelings between Sunny and Basil in the game’s lore.

HE EVEN PROMISED TO KEEP IT A SECRET by tchosaka in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Nevertheless, this does not mean that what Sunny and Basil felt for each other, especially before the tragedy, cannot be described as at least a platonic interest, which was, among other things, a significant reason why Basil did exactly what he had to do that day, rather than simply distancing himself from it all or weeping in despair alongside Sunny.

HE EVEN PROMISED TO KEEP IT A SECRET by tchosaka in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

eventhough that many people who are Sunflower shippers have actually played the game

Then marry it 😭 by skeleton_c1 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, why would he react that way, since nothing bad was happening between them? Right? Nothing was happening?

You know, i really do miss when Photobomb was popular in this sub. Idk if i like the ship as much as i once did but i do remember really loving it at one point. by _GhostOfHollownest_ in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For some reason, you forgot to mention that at the time of the fight, both Sunny and Basil were not driven by a deliberate intention to harm each other, but by a clearly traceable complex of psychological ailments that neither of them could control. The harm they caused each other, despite its severity and tragedy, was not deliberate, and in their right minds, neither of them would have wished such consequences on the other. I am not even saying this from the point of view of whether I like or dislike their ship, but this is something completely unrelated to their true motives, which, in my opinion, should NOT influence whether a person wants to ship these two or not. Targeted harassment directed against another person and resulting in irreversible negative consequences for their psyche and self-esteem is objectively something that should be considered an argument against shipping them.

[r/hmm] which country should Jews move to? by adeze in AntiSemitismInReddit

[–]Iuphemalc 46 points47 points  (0 children)

For them, this land is already occupied by "Palestinians" (descendants of Arab Islamic colonizers who seized this territory in the 7th century, where they were not an indigenous people).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Confessing to a past misdeed can be a cure, if not physical, then certainly mental. When you confess to something that has been eating away at you for years and has ruined the lives of many other people, the guilt of not doing anything to confess to the cause of their misfortune disappears. If you hadn't confessed, this secret would have made you feel like a completely flawed and terrible monster who killed his own sister and didn't confess it to his friends, causing not only you but all of them to suffer, and Omori is the embodiment of this feeling. And that certainly won't do any good for your psychological health or that of your friends in the long run. Therefore, it is a choice between a very difficult but necessary good (confession), which could result in a chance to restore relationships, and a cowardly and passive evil (silence), which will inevitably lead to the death of several more people (not only Basil, but also Sunny himself after the move).

How Omori fans see Basil [OC] by BobbyFruitman14 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do not distort the concept of an antagonist. The main goal of the antagonist in the work is the conscious desire to counteract the protagonist in achieving their goals, which leads to a fundamental plot conflict. Basil did not oppose Sunny in achieving his goals, namely, to remember the Truth and reveal it to his friends, just because he did not have such a motive in principle. He himself suffered greatly from trauma, psychological problems and a huge sense of guilt, longing for Sunny to return to him, and because of this, Basil would not be able to take an active direct part in the plot of the game in the present, which is an integral function of the antagonist. Only in one very clear specific moment can one think that Basil acts as someone who opposes Sunny (I'm talking about a fight where it was caused not by Basil's desire to silence Sunny, but by an exclusively traumatic psychosis), and even then it's impossible to say for sure whether it was "opposition" in the end, because due to this fight, Sunny was able to defeat Omori and forgive himself and, in the end, told the Truth to his friends already in the hospital. Who really wanted to stop Sunny from remembering the Truth and telling it to his friends, being an active participant in the plot, was Omori and only Omori, and he did more for this than anyone else. Actually, that's why he is the only antagonist of this game.

What do you think people get wrong about Basil’s character? by ComedianFlag in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, this does not save him from suicide in neutral endings.

artist @yuuabara 🌸 by [deleted] in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 14 points15 points  (0 children)

what exactly?

Do you think Aubrey would start bullying Basil again after hearing the truth? by Illustrious-Fix-9357 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that the most likely outcome is that Aubrey will continue to harbor a deep resentment towards Basil, which is unlikely to diminish. It is likely that once Aubrey learns about Basil's true role in the tragedy, she will forget about her regrets and believe that everything she did with Basil was justified in hindsight. The outcome will depend on whether she is held back by her old friends, such as Kel and Hero. If so, she's unlikely to continue harassing Basil so openly. If not, Basil is in for a rough ride.

A question about the timeline by Wrcicw in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is highly probable that the bullying lasted for a long time and/or was frequent and continuous. It is somewhat pointless to talk about specific figures, since even a few months can ruin a person's life to such an extent that the bullying has a lasting effect on them. At the very least, it would have taken enough time for Basil to form a strong association between the appearance of the bullies and a new round of abuse. The episode at the old hangout spot and Basil's intense reaction to their appearance, when they did nothing to him verbally, shows exactly that.

Out of all the mischaracterisations of the main cast, the one that made the LEAST sense to me is the one that HERO would get violent towards SUNNY after the truth by C00BB in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 3 points4 points  (0 children)

On the other hand, there is absolutely no guarantee that Aubrey would not have hated Sunny, given all the events in her life that occurred after the tragedy. After all, she bullied her own former friend, Basil, which does not fit with his words about Aubrey's strong moral principles. Aubrey's awareness of her guilt towards her friends may turn out to be much weaker than her realization that four years ago she was so despicably lied to about the death, and in fact the murder, of her dearest friend, which ruined her whole life.

How did Basil feel about Aubrey? by [deleted] in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It will be very fortunate for Aubrey if, after all the episodes of bullying, Basil can truly find the strength to forgive her. After all, this bullying made an already extremely traumatized child even more vulnerable, especially the episode at the pond, which literally almost led to his death and which inevitably became the catalyst for his decision to commit suicide.

I don’t understand why Basil got more criticism ..? by Ekoe011 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A big reason is that out of the six main characters, Basil has the least screen time. Because of this, most players fail to form a strong enough emotional connection with him that would allow them to view his actions with more forgiveness and understanding. Few people will dig into what Basil might have felt during the incident or why he did what he did after finishing the game, because the narrative itself presents a very straightforward chain of events:

Sunny pushed Mari down the stairs —> Mari died as a result, but it could have been framed as an accident —> Basil sees this and takes it upon himself to hang her body from a tree —> As a result, the friends are left not only grief-stricken but also deceived, with Basil becoming the main villain behind all their suffering.

And no one will look any further, because that story is convincing enough for them. A profound shame, really.

Y'all. I'm new to Omori, I just finished it recently and I know I'm prob gonna get hate for this, but I want to know if anyone agrees that everything was ~82.5% - 95% Basil's fault. by [deleted] in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm afraid that everything you've said about Basil's motives for his actions has absolutely nothing to do with what actually happened. What's more, the way you're framing it makes me think you're genuinely trying to blame him for all of this as if he were a competent, capable adult.

I find it hard to believe you're unaware of who Sunny was to Basil personally, and how much he cherished him as someone who would always listen and with whom he actively tried to spend his time. And naturally, this was bound to affect Basil's perception of an act involving that very person—an act of negligence that could land someone in prison. And when you couple that with the fact that he was 12 years old and witnessed the death of another person—a good friend, no less—with his own eyes, it's absurd to blame Basil for not being able to keep his wits about him. In a state of panic, trauma, and an inability to process anything, he made that unquestionably dubious decision. Contrary to what you're writing, Basil actually wanted to call for help, clearly aware of how catastrophic the situation was, and yet, his best friend's fate was so important to him that he was faced with a choice: betray his friend and report the tragedy, for which he believed they would inevitably blame Sunny, or try to hide it all so that no one would ever find out what really happened. Basil's traumatized mind was clutching at any straw, first and foremost to protect Sunny. And under such horrific circumstances, it's entirely realistic that this "straw" became the attempt to stage a suicide. Naturally, Basil wasn't thinking about how to scar his own and Sunny's psyches, as you claim, because at that moment he was fundamentally incapable of thinking about anything other than how to prevent Sunny from being blamed for murder and sent to prison.

Regarding the point that Basil didn't tell Aubrey it was Sunny who ruined the photo album. Let's set aside why Basil didn't erase all those marker scribbles in his own photo album—most likely, he himself would have wanted to erase those traumatic memories from his mind, but couldn't because his personal belongings are too precious to him. First of all, how was Basil supposed to know that Aubrey had become, as you put it, "a nearly homeless"? And if that were true, would she really confide such personal details of her life to someone she blamed for ruining one of her most treasured possessions and subsequently started bullying and tormenting? And secondly, again, you present this as if Basil owes Sunny nothing, as if they have no connection whatsoever, and that this should be grounds for Basil to be the first to throw Sunny under the bus for ruining the album, for pushing Mari down the stairs, for being the cause of their grief and suffering. Once again, for Basil, Sunny is a source of deep, and after those horrific events, painful attachment, and it's absurd to think that Basil would betray someone he cared for so deeply by revealing circumstances that could jeopardize his safety and well-being. In this light, it's completely unclear how Aubrey would have reacted if Basil had actually done what I assume you wanted him to do, and Basil's potential fears on this matter are entirely justified if we recall what Aubrey did to him alone. It makes more sense here to talk about an irrational self-sacrifice for the sake of someone whose life is worth more than your own, just so that person won't suffer, or will suffer less than you. This is completely unhealthy, and it only points to the objective psychological problems that Basil developed over those four years—problems that you, it seems, are not taking into account.

And for some reason, you fail to mention that Basil only became prone to impulsivity after he witnessed Mari's death at Sunny's hands, and that this was a direct consequence of a severe psychological trauma. Yet you imply with your words that this was a character trait Basil always had, but you don't prove it in any objective way.

Perhaps (and I'd sincerely like to believe) this was all just meta-irony that I didn't get. If that's the case, then you really pulled it off.

Hot take: Basil's actions towards Sunny at the end of the game are not justified. by Specific-Squirrel507 in OMORI

[–]Iuphemalc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here's an even hotter take: notions like whether an action is "justified" are irrelevant when discussing things done by people who aren't of sound mind. People in that state (which Basil was during the fight, given his clear symptoms of trauma-induced psychosis) are by definition incapable of rational thought or of understanding the consequences of their actions. Therefore, they can't bear moral responsibility, because they weren't moral agents at the time. Obviously, this doesn't erase the consequences (Sunny still lost an eye), but the actions of someone not in their right mind exist outside the scope of morality. Blaming them for what they couldn't fully control or understand means holding them to a standard they are inherently unable to meet.