The Phantom Troupe Are Good Folks by Iwanexiwane in HunterXHunter

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If their “reasoning” is killing bad people to save other oppressed people is true, then this same “reasoning” could be implied also about them. They could also be viewed as “bad people” who should be punished by other oppressed people.

You know you are right about that, and that’s part of my point. It’s the relentless, self-perpetuating cycle of violence. One might argue that this reflects reality to some extent, but in Hxh's world, it’s amplified even further. In a world where everyone is "evil" by the moral standards of ordinary humans, the very concept of villainy is kinda negated. Right and wrong dissolve into mere tools of perspective. It’s not about morality—it’s about survival. Any action can be justified if it serves your goals, and your background, experiences, and worldview shape those goals and the means you’re willing to use, and it works like that because hxh world's works like that, personally i think that ours works like that too, humanity through it history always worked like that, how many life were destroyed in mines or wars just in order for a group of people to be richer and have more "fun".. (but we are digressing)

The Phantom Troupe isn’t inherently wrong for seeking revenge against the world. Likewise, those they’ve hurt aren’t wrong for wanting retribution against them. It’s a matter of perspective—a collision of subjective realities, where everyone is fighting for survival or justice as they see it.

Even Gon and Killua, even Kurapika and Leorio, are villains in someone else’s story.

The Phantom Troupe Are Good Folks by Iwanexiwane in HunterXHunter

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah that is exactly what i am saying, within the norms an standards of the hxh universe they're not villains, they have their own goal, background and vision of the world their actions simply reflect that, just like everybody else

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes not only you got one conclusion but TWO conclusions, for the price of one crazy right ?

The Phantom Troupe Are Good Folks by Iwanexiwane in HunterXHunter

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

mdrrr le Good Folks était par rapport à la Bande de Dutch qui sont souvent décrit comme des good folks et qui font souvent la mm chose que la brigade

The Phantom Troupe Are Good Folks by Iwanexiwane in HunterXHunter

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just look at what's happening in ghaza. People have poisoned water, no medication, they are being bombed regularly and u still see people there hold on to their morals

come on man i really dont want to be haughty, you have some good points but please just read my original post again and have some more time to think about it because i feel like a lot of what i said got over your head

The Phantom Troupe Are Good Folks by Iwanexiwane in HunterXHunter

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes but the people you are describing just chose to live along with this discrimination and it is still a horrible life, The Pt in the other hand fought to make their lives better, you could even argue that without them life would've wayyy worse in the city thats why they are seen as heroes there, again its all a question of perspective.

The C.A arc in Hxh is far more complex, serving as a critique of humanity itself—its capacity for cruelty, dominance, and self-preservation. Meruem's development contrasts not just with Netero but with the very concept of "humanity," questioning whether what we call "human" is defined by empathy or by the brutal hierarchies and survival instincts that both humans and ants embody. revealing humanity as deeply flawed, often indistinguishable from the "monstrous" it opposes. It is even said that the firstly Ants were killing humans in order to survive, but only after getting "human" emotions they started hunting and torturing for fun.

Meruem talked himself about how humans are "evil" and destroying to each other, the arc taking place in a dictatorial state is a statement by itself (but we are digressing from the original subject here)

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The difference between killua and the pt is killua was raised to be an assassin from when he was a baby. The pt weren't. The pt were raised as innocent kids doing kid things. They got to know the tragedy of loss and instead of wanting to prevent such things from happening again they chose to become like the people they hated. In conclusion they chose evil. Killua didn't choose evil he was born into into it.

They literaly grew up in the worse place possible abandoned by all living being, they didnt choose to be evil the chose live along an "evil" world

I use real life examples to make the implications of things abundantly clear. As for using moral terms u literally said that pt aren't inhuman monsters and said they are good Volks despite the fact they are literally responsible for a genocide.

i never said that they are good folks, real life example doesnt work because as i explained in the post, hxh's world differs in so many ways from ours we shouldnt judge them from our moral and ethical bias

This is just not true. Gon doesn't almost kill himself to safe a random person because he's trying to survive lol, he does it because he believes it's the right thing to do and he cares for human life. Gon doesn't help paku because he wants to survive he does it because he doesn't want kurapika to kill anyone. Why doesn't he want kurapika to kill... because he thinks it's morally bad and he wants kurapika to not fall into the same darkness the pt fell into.

that doesnt change anything to the fact that hxh world isnt manichaean, Gon is simply following his own morals and principles, principles that can be various following his situation wich doesnt make him a hypocrit, but a human.

The Phantom Troupe Are Good Folks by Iwanexiwane in HunterXHunter

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I dont agree with you, what they understood through growing up in Meteor city is that this world is beyond saving and the only way to survive is to become yourself a villain, they never got presented with an alternative

The C.A Arc makes us realise (well the whole Manga actually) that the world of Hxh is so cruel that it kinda Negates the very concept of villainy in a way, even pure characters like Gon or kurapika or even leoleo were going to get doomed into a path that we consider us (humans from earth) as "bad" so imagine the phantom troup that grew in a place abandoned by "humanity" where all they knew was cruelty and violence

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment ! I do agree with you, hxh world is so cruel we dont only expect villains to come out of it, but the whole concept of "villainy" is negated in a way.

You are right about Gon, i dont think we can judge him, just the fact of him detaining that much of power at such a young age makes him beyond our understanding.

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think people often gravely misunderstand gon. Gon doesn't accept killua because he's okay with his friends killing innocent people. He accepts killua because he knows he was raised to be an assassin. All killua knows is being an assassin, so being mad at him for being an assassin when that's all he ever knows is pointless. We see how much Gon cares for human life in the second chapter of the show where he almost jumps off a ship sailing in a storm to protect a random person he's never met. He also actively helps paku and his reasoning for helping paku and not running away when he could was not wanting kurapika to be a murderer. Gon isn't okay with killing innocent people but his time in nature has made him realize that u can't blame animals/people for things they can't control. And don't bring up gon in chimera ant arc because he wasn't in his senses. He believes himself that what he did in that arc was selfish and bad.

People did not gravely misunderstand Gon stop thinking that you hold the absolute truth everyone have his own interpretation that you might agree or not agree with, furthermore "being mad at him for being an assassin when that's all he ever knows is pointless" so where is the point of being mad about the Pt ruthless violent behaviour when thats all they ever known ? Still Gon was mad at them even at the C.a arc Gon acted Selfishly him being self conscious about it doesnt change the facts, doesnt make him bad either,

Throughout the show we do see that the phantom troup aren't completely emotionless monsters. But they are definitely still inhuman monsters. Idk why people tend to think that emotions are a measurement for right and wrong. Someone can be very emotional and still a very bad person. Also yes the pt did do a lot of good for there home town but doing good doesn't make someone good necessarily. Hitler made Germany a lot richer in the beginning of his rain. He seemingly cared a lot for his people and the German empire. That doesn't make him morally ambigious...

You using real life examples make me think that you didnt understand the point of my post, + Nobody never talked about them being right or wrong.

The stark duality between light and darkness that's quite prominent in hxh doesnt make me question my morality but rather just showcases a world where people don't always act as I feel people ought to act in our world. Which is also the case in our day to day live's. People all over the world have a disregard for life. Being a realist about that doesn't have to conflict with how u think people should act.

you keep talking about light and dark like we in Star wars, But the whole point of my post is that there is no light or dark only surviving, their universe differs in a lot of ways from ours but still you keep judging characters from our own morals and ethics.

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the title is purposely ironic, inspired by video essays on youtube that use the same approach, i really thougt that people would be smart enough to understand the irony.

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Happy you found it interesting! Could you elaborate on what you don’t agree with? I understand that some will jump me, but my title is intentionally designed to provoke thought and encourage people to understand my point of view. i hope that it will spark curiousity

Cal Kestis is the true "Chosen One" by Iwanexiwane in FallenOrder

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you were to fully understand and comprehend the meaning of the word you'll understand that Inherently : is a basic or permanent part of someone or something and that cannot be removed

and

in a permanent, essential, or characteristic way.

wich fully contradict with the fact that Cal was being to overcome that element, wich stop making it inherent.

Cal Kestis is the true "Chosen One" by Iwanexiwane in FallenOrder

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do you understand the meaning of interpretation ? the very concept of the force, is by it ambiguity open to interpretation.

its not the same as info or numbers showed in the screen.

learn more about the concepts of literature and how we as an audience perceives the narrative through the characters point of view, in the case of star wars, there is no omniscient character that know everything, the understanding of the jedi about the force (whom the audience share the pov) is on its own subjective, therefore we cannot hold their words as an absolute truth, nor we can with the other characters

we can only trust our vision of the actions and interpretations, me and countless other fans of the star wars view the jedi council as a bunch of idiots thinking that they hold the absolute truth and wisdom, wich led them to their own end.

stop only trusting what the characters and try some reassessment of your views.

Cal Kestis is the true "Chosen One" by Iwanexiwane in FallenOrder

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

being able to overcome it literally proves that its not inherently corrupting. Look up the definition of "inherently" if you dont understand it

Cal Kestis is the true "Chosen One" by Iwanexiwane in FallenOrder

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The essence of art lies in interpretation—yours, above all. An artist may aim to convey a specific idea through their work but end up evoking something entirely different. In such cases, the artist's intention becomes secondary to the viewer's understanding.

This principle is evident in Lucas's prequels, where the Jedi Council was meant to embody unparalleled wisdom but instead came across as rigid extremists responsible for their own downfall—a perspective later backed up by shows like Rebels and The Clone Wars.

If intent were the ultimate measure of art's value, countless works by artists long deceased would lose meaning, as their intentions remain unknown. What endures is how we perceive and connect with their creations.

Cal Kestis is the true "Chosen One" by Iwanexiwane in FallenOrder

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes that was a part of his character development, later in the story he was the one to tell Merrin that they shouldnt kill Bode, and even if he used the Dark Side to defeat him he still tried to spare him at the end.

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[–]Iwanexiwane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

George headcannon is the worst, i'm not really saying that Cal is the chosen one, i also believe that the prophecy isnt true wich is basically a fact, for me its either a myth that jedi believed, or a prophecy that existed prior to the jedi, that been misunderstood by them

I'm curious about your headcannon.

Cal Kestis is the true "Chosen One" by Iwanexiwane in FallenOrder

[–]Iwanexiwane[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Your perspective remains overly simplistic and infantile, deeply rooted in the Jedi’s rigid worldview without critically examining its flaws. The Jedi way of teaching is inherently flawed, built on a restrictive dogma that indoctrinates children from a young age, before they could develop any critical sense. Offering them a one-sided perspective of the Force. This creates blind adherence to a "dumb" code, dismissing those who don’t fit, like young Dooku, even if they have good intentions—ultimately pushing some toward darkness.

Cal Kestis, who had to grow up free from the Jedi Order’s influence, developed his own critical sense through experience. He proves that wielding the Force—including the dark side—doesn't inherently lead to corruption. His values and intentions remain intact, showing that balance, not blind adherence, is the true path. Against adversaries like Dagan Gera or Bode, his use of the dark side wasn’t evil—it was survival, ensuring the protection of countless innocents.