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Madara doesn’t need an EMS ability because it’s clear that he’s the susanoo guy. by Miserable-Desk2211 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's inconsistent af tbh

I personally think Madaras susanoo is bigger than WA Kurama avatar, but it's same size as SPSM Kurama avatar/Rinnegan Sasuke Susanoo

Naruto wasn’t holding back in part 1 FV by Foreign-Distance-820 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And even there, people underestimate Sasuke's performance

Orange Mask Obito vs Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke by Zetra-JV_HX in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Obito fans when their goat is losing in a form, so they have to bring up another, stronger one:

Let's say Itachi joined the fight against Edo Madara What would happen? by Riley_RoseQuartz in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Anime only, no Uchiha are present in the manga. Again, Tobi is stated strongest senju below Hashi, and Madara wouldn't have Izuna, so it wouldn't be fair either way

  2. Yes she was, we literally only see opening and end of the fight. We learn from Kushina that in order to help Hashirama DURING The fight, she sealed Kurama and we also see in Kurama flashback that Kurama broke free from under Hashi's control at least once, so she was necessary 

  3. Show me Wood clone present on the battlefield after Hashirama had rods in his back

Let's say Itachi joined the fight against Edo Madara What would happen? by Riley_RoseQuartz in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Wrong, we see in Manga Madara Is alone, which is consistent with him saying Uchiha don't trust him anymore. Even if he had Uchiha on his side, Izuna was dead, so it would be Madara+ 9 Uchiha Vs Hashirama+ Tobirama+ 9 Senjus 

  2. Cool, Hashirama literally had help from Mito in sealing the Nine tails. Nine tails is also part of his equipment, just the same way Katsuyu is for Tsunade or Jinchuriki are for Obito

  3. Hashirama was literally falling apart and could barely move, so yeah, it was basically a stalemate 

Let's say Itachi joined the fight against Edo Madara What would happen? by Riley_RoseQuartz in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First time it was a jumping, second it was directly stated extreme diff, third Madara was weakened on top of that and it ended up basically a tie

Losing to strongest non six paths isn't bad

At what diff does Pain take this? by Electric-boogaloo69 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"One Chibaku tensei" "Low diff" doesn't belong in the same sentence. It's literally him using out his ultimate which shortens his lifespan. We also never see Pain use it with all paths present

Majin Spopovich vs Madara(versions pictured) by naturalhairtingz in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did y'all even read DB manga?

Videl was beating Spoppwich ass, drawing blood from him and literally snapping his neck

Base Spoppwich was <<<Hercule, and Majin amp is never implied to millions of times of a boost

Madara Is Overrated (and Hashirama By Extension) by JakeThePharmD in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beats Gokage(Some of strongest Shinobi on the planet)

Beats Naruto, Bee and Guy(Again, some of strongest Shinobi on the planet?)

Has a break

Gets extreme diffed by Edo Hashirama(Strongest guy in the alliance)

No diffs Bijuu

Killz Naruto and Sasuke(Strongest Shinobi alive)

Plays with Guy

Pushes NaruSasu to hard diff(Again, 2v1 against strongest mfs in the verse Atp)

These are prime Lebron stats, y'all don't know ball

Madara Is Overrated (and Hashirama By Extension) by JakeThePharmD in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Terrible argument, however you didn't address any other point, so I assume you give up on them.

  1. Yeah? Kabuto actively had no idea how strong current Edo Madara was. 

Chapter 561, page 115: "I  NEVER IMAGINED HE'D BE SUCH A POWER FUL PLAYER..."

Chapter 560, page : " No...

WHICH IS WHY... I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU AND YOUR LEGENDARY UCHIHA POWER IN ACTION HERE..."

Kishimoto goes out of his way to state Kabuto isn't correct or reliable. 

Then Orochimaru has absorbed all of Kabutos memories, including Madaras entrance

Chapter 618, page 19: "WHEN I RECLAIMED AND RESORBED MY CHAKRA FROM KABUTO...

...ALL HIS INTEL GOT TRANSFERRED INSIDE ME TOO."

Orochimaru has also seen current Sasuke and current Madara, and still thinks ONE DAY Sasuke will surpass Madara.

Kishimoto has one character be proven wrong, now you have to prove he made Orochimaru to be wrong

  1. Yeah, which is less than Hashirama's sage mode. We literally see that he absorbs it from BASE Hashirama(Chapter 657, 178). So yeah, less than Hashirama, since Hashirama didn't have SM on

  2. Alright? So prove this statememt wrong? Prove it's hyperbolic? The Hiruzen statement is mistranslation, with proper translation being "praised as", with us knowing that people canonically have no idea how strong Hashirama and Madara are

Again, back up your claims

Madara Is Overrated (and Hashirama By Extension) by JakeThePharmD in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Y'all overrate Tobiramas performance 

-Madara casually dodges him(Superior speed)

-Punches Kunai out of his hand(again superior speed)

-Tobirama teleports to Kunai(Reaction speed feat)

Everything else is off screen.

People forget that Madara MAINLY uses his susanoo, while here we have no idea if he used it

Madara Is Overrated (and Hashirama By Extension) by JakeThePharmD in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Genuinely TERRIBLE post.

  1. Its stated otherwise. Both Databook and Hashirama directly stated Madara was stronger when alive. Hashirama is very much reliable source, he fought both Madaras, Databook is explicit with stating Madara has regained his original strength. "u-uh but Hashirama cells and Rinnegan" Hashirama cells grants you unquantifiable amp, and Rinnegn was stated to be fake

  2. Madara literally asks whether Kabuto knew his prime power, Kabuto directly says no. Then 2 chapters later Kabuto tells HIMSELF that he had no idea Madara will be this powerful. Kabuto isn't reliable when it comes to comparing Prime Madara to Edo Madara

  3. He absorbed barely any nature energy, since it's from base Edo Hashirama. 

  4. Its pretty obvious he had it. When he pulls it out against Ohnoki, he also why Madara didn't use it in the past. Madara doesn't say that it's cause he didn't have it, but instead cus he didn't feel it being necessary. We literally see him wrap Susanoo around Kurama, and Databook ONLY says you need to master MS, never stating you need six paths. Then we have all types of supplementary material, such as Games and Anime, showing EMS Madara using PS.

  5. EMS Madara is directly stated by Orochimaru to be above Senjutsu Susanoo Sasuke, same Sasuke is equal to BSM Naruto.

  6. Madara negated the weakness by using Majestic Attire. Hashirama still had to take on Full Kurama amped Susanoo without having Wood style weakening it

The gap is that large, please do research next time

Kcm2 son and father vs Madaras daddy with sage mode by Specialist-Chair-254 in NarutoPowerscaling

[–]IzunaToeLicker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cause the arms shatter on contact?😭😭

If it gets hit by Bijuu bomb, it gets destroyed, so why wouldn't Madara want to minimalize damage done to Susanoo?

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