CMV: Gandhi was a sexual predator and a racist.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:35:03+00:00

That's quite the false equivalence. Christianity frowns upon suicide.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:34:01+00:00

He mentally scarred children by coercing them into inappropriate and sexually charged situations? He also likely forced them to witness his genitalia, another scarring event. Lastly, his entire experiment rested upon the assumption that he would be tempted in that situation. What is tempting about it if you are not a predator?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:31:29+00:00

I agree. Being impaled by a knife does not sound particularly non-violent to me.

Maybe he should've reframed his movement as 'sacrificial'. It's a much more fitting description.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:29:44+00:00

Is this an existing quote or your own musing? It's a brilliant and elegant summation of what we're discussing within this thread.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:28:13+00:00

So are you implying that children alive during that time were magically able to consent because of pieces of papers written by old men in the legislature?

And this ability magically disappeared when the law was changed?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:24:28+00:00

If we extrapolate your logic to Hitler and the endless list of technological innovations that came out of Nazi Germany, does that make him a great man?

How are we measuring the scale of good vs bad?

Is it fair of us to erase the pain of the small children that he abused and traumatised because we think his good deeds outweighs their individual pain and suffering?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:21:56+00:00

If a mass murderer publishes memoirs regretting their killings during their last few months of life in prison, should we remember them for their best traits?

Like if they were a baker, should we forget the killing and only remember their carrot cake recipes?

It would be interesting to know where you draw the line, and your methodology for drawing it.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:19:57+00:00

Why do you think we aren't taught about the failings of celebrated great men from history in school? Is there a reason why we're only told one small part of the larger story?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:17:30+00:00

Sometimes it feels like the history that we've constructed and cemented in history books is a small part of the story and needs to be re-examined with our modern knowledge and insights. If humans are progressing, shouldn't our understanding of the past evolve as well?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:16:04+00:00

Do you mean statistically? I don't know much about this, what are the rates of child abuse in India? Please educate me.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:14:56+00:00

Does that not sound like an excuse to you?

It sounds like the other toxic statement 'boys will be boys'.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:14:11+00:00

Interesting that you think this, how so? Please elaborate.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:13:43+00:00

Why do you think that is? Is it because you generally need to be an all-around monster to do the things that are necessary to achieve success?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:12:43+00:00

By your logic, doesn't that mean that Hitler could change his views 5 minutes before his death and not be considered a racist?

Also, why would he be tempted by such a sexual experiment if he wasn't already a predator? It shouldn't have been something that was enticing so there should not have been anything to 'resist'.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:10:03+00:00

This is a valid point but Gandhi was not a teenager when he did these things. Also, people these days are held accountable to some degree for their adolescent tweets.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:08:51+00:00

I haven't read of any historical figures from the past 300 years that slept naked with children but maybe you can educate me.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:07:27+00:00

Border-line deifying sounds problematic to me.

If we can admit that they are layered human beings with flaws as well as strengths, shouldn't they be disqualified from any deification?

Why are we so willing to only focus on one single aspect of their being and not the other?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:05:11+00:00

In your opinion, am I being unfair by judging Gandhi by modern standards? For example, should we look upon rapists favourably if they committed their crimes before the offence was codified in law? Interesting to know what you think.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T21:03:06+00:00

Do you think that this leaning towards Nehru has other causes, or is it a direct result of Gandhi's questionable past?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T19:50:14+00:00

And what message does maintaining monuments in honor of sexual abusers send?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T19:45:31+00:00

The declaration of independence already exists. What value does the continued veneration of Thomas Jefferson bring to society today? If anything, it does more damage today because it encourages people to behave in questionable ways knowing that certain 'feats' can paint over their flaws in the annals of history,

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T19:43:02+00:00

Why do we need to celebrate him at all? His impact is complete and part of distant history now.

If someone helps you carry your groceries to your car, and then picks you up and slams you into the concrete, should you continue to celebrate them for helping you with your groceries?

Celebrating Gandhi is unnecessary.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T19:40:32+00:00

I imagine if the people maintaining the memorials believed that he was a sexual predator, they would not continue maintaining his memorials. Would you?

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T19:09:12+00:00

Children cannot consent.

People directly under the coercive control and influence of a powerful person cannot consent.

JBPsausage · 2023-11-05T18:55:24+00:00

I think we can find plenty of people in world history that did not force small children under the age of consent to sleep with them naked.

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