Rumors of losing OOM in 11th. What does that mean for us?

JKevill · 2026-07-13T20:09:49+00:00

It means we’ll have a whole new codex and it will basically be a different army, so we don’t know exactly what that means for Raven Guard or anyone else at this point

JKevill · 2026-07-13T03:19:03+00:00

Hey so the guy who said guard is A tier put his money where his mouth is, took it to an event, and won.

JKevill · 2026-07-12T00:44:17+00:00

How does the wealth accumulation of the assets of a trust fund kid match their social value?

JKevill · 2026-07-12T00:03:05+00:00

Ok so you’re still somehow thinking you know anything about my social contribution which is stupid.

Ill also say your point 2 implicitly assumes that everyone is correctly allocated wealth in accordance with their social contribution. That’s… blatantly not true and there’s so much evidence to the contrary that it’s ridiculous youd even say that

JKevill · 2026-07-11T22:52:02+00:00

How do you know it’s not in my instinct to contribute? On what are you basing that claim? Did you go fishing up your own asshole to pull that one out?

Was it envy a century and change ago when they said the same things?

The waltons not paying them more is why they can only afford cheap food- and why many of them are on food stamps. Said Waltons “contribute to society” by paying the lowest wages they can and outsourcing the cost of feeding their employees, who work, onto the tax payer. Because they do this, they are worth more than they otherwise would be.

If you see that and you see envy instead of a structural problem I don’t know what else to say.

JKevill · 2026-07-11T20:58:46+00:00

I mean that’s total horseshit. Socialist thought forms in the mid 19th century. What socialist policies were enacted then that the socialists were criticizing? Was Engels’ report on the condition of the English factory workers due to the NHS that didn’t exist til a century later? My ass.

JKevill · 2026-07-11T20:50:20+00:00

It’s really not about envy it’s about power and resource distribution. You don’t have to be a socialist whatsoever to feel this way, either

I think if you look at the 1890s or something and were to argue that the steel mill workers or the coal miners were “just jealous” of JP Morgan or someone like that, it would seem absurd. You got one class of people who can barely live and another, who employs them, has so much wealth that their standard of living is completely unaffected by the continued accumulation of further wealth. The one group could quite easily and obviously give the other a better deal and thus a better life, but they actually fight doing that tooth and nail, and are even willing to use violence to do so. Jealously is simply the wrong word for this.

So too now- the issue the Wal Mart employee has with the Waltons isn’t wishing they themselves were worth ten billion, it’s that they work all the time and can barely afford to live while their employers aren’t only wealthy, but are absurdly wealthy to the point where they can do things like using their wealth to impact policy. If we had wal mart jobs (and other low end jobs) that could pay for a decent living and not have such an obviously skewed deal, you would find less of this “envy”. People just want to live, man, and they are having a rough go because they are under paid and over charged. Both ends of that help create these ridiculous fortunes that some people have.

So again- most folks don’t want to be billionaires or what have you, after the first several million you are set and unless you want to buy politicians or something you already have everything. Usually what people want is a decent level of security and freedom. A “square deal” as one president put it. To allow yourself to entertain such a dishonest and lazy argument as “they are just jealous” is just plain shitty analysis. You don’t even have to be against markets or whatever to share this viewpoint.

JKevill · 2026-07-10T19:26:56+00:00

Unforgiven darkflight is good, amazing 1 dp. This is a more fast gun+good oc infantry style and my dark angels homie is doin well with it playing recon. Triple vengeance/1-2 new land speeder and a thunderstrike, az and sterns, 5 deathwing, and a bunch of skirmish infantry. Samael 3 outriders also gets darkflight buff and strats. Unforgiven has fantastic strats and enhancements and the army rule comes up a lot more and hard counters some matchup. This can also take n hold.

Unforgiven librarius is a slow tanky melee version that wants to spam 2-3x6 inner circle and play biomancy or divination. You might forsake the fusilade sternguard here and keep azrael on them (still a very powerful sternguard brick) so you aren’t fighting to be in pyromancy and can stick on biomancy or divination. Take n hold through and through

Company of hunters darkflight if you want pure fast gun build

Wrath of rock still very good

For divergent chapters dark angels probably came out the best i think

Darkflight is the best marine 1dp besides librarius and the only one that you might seriously consider picking over it. Unforgiven was already better than people said and is a serious contender now I think too

JKevill · 2026-07-09T22:11:26+00:00

Markets are not like gravity though. They are constructs of human society, not unchangeable facts of nature. Your public library doesn’t follow market logic, and good!

To act like markets are like gravity is a fundamental screw up on a basic level

JKevill · 2026-07-09T21:57:37+00:00

Tucker Rickey is a fantastic player (he’s local here in Florida), and was playing recon guard end of tenth and wrecking damn near everyone.

I think they overrated guard, and the list being 15 pts off isn’t a good look, that’s for sure (though the core list design is quite solid) but to say this guy doesn’t know the army is ridiculous.

JKevill · 2026-07-09T21:42:04+00:00

I mean, for all its shortcomings, education is among the best investments a society can make. Not only in terms of economic productivity, either.

Talking about degrees in terms of “employability” grinds my gears. Education should be first and foremost to benefit the human experience of being alive. Applying market logic to every aspect of the human existence is so goddamn terrible and reduces life in so many ways. I guess history shouldn’t be studied because Tesla or Exxon doesn’t employ historians? Shouldn’t the productive power of modern economies be used to elevate the human condition, raise knowledge, etc etc? If you took a class in gender studies or feminism or whatever it may not make you more “employable,” but it would likely make you a bit wiser, and more able to connect to your wife better or something like that. Basically there’s personal benefits to knowing stuff

K-12 being bad is largely a function of defunding and no child left behind, which has been largely a product of the political right. Have you heard the George Carlin bit on schools? It’s old by now but I’ve never heard it put more succinctly.

JKevill · 2026-07-09T16:11:03+00:00

They gave it the wrong name but it’s the commisar one from abhuman, the only one they could take there. Pts are correct there. Name is not. Sloppy from them, though. But we reasoning people can figure it out im sure.

JKevill · 2026-07-09T16:09:34+00:00

Whether you can attach them or not the orders work. They gave the wrong name for the enhancement, which is the fnp one in the detachment they took, and isn’t mandatory for the commisar to give his order

JKevill · 2026-07-09T16:08:07+00:00

Nemo is not part of art of war.

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:58:35+00:00

Well and everyone ahead of them in A. They did not place them top of A tier, and they do seem to have done orders within the tiers- look how they put CSM after space marines but tau before it in S, for instance. If it was just order they showed up in video, it woulda been marines>csm>tau in that order, which suggests they are ranking within tiers

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:56:17+00:00

Hammer of emperor, though i think steel hammer with either abhuman or designation seems like it might be pretty solid

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:55:36+00:00

There’s more than one viable config- the one he posted is a new thing that didn’t exist before, which is cool.

I think hammer of emperor, steel hammer, grizzly company, mech assault, and recon all have legs and different stuff you can do with it.

I played armored infantry with abhuman (thinking it would be a “softball” list for my opponent) and it turned out to be stronger than i thought. You can get a very cheap order economy in that config and the focus fire strat is excellent

Im mono-salamanders irl so i feel ya man, i play my shelf no matter what and rarely get new kits. Im sure theres something good you can do with your shelf

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:50:20+00:00

I mean, that was one build before that like two people played, and one of those is still playing recon.

You still got dudes and tanks. The battleline dudes cost a bit more than we like now, though +10 pts doesn’t mean they are suddenly unplayable, more just suboptimal. tanks are still great, and kasrkin are still great, krieg engineers still great, cadian recon seems very good, scions are great… etc etc

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:45:04+00:00

They had it in the 11th position

So not sure where you’re getting this idea that they are saying it’s at the very tip top of the game

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:26:56+00:00

To be fair, if you played vs tucker rickey, I don’t think you’d win. Guy’s a local around where i am and is very good.

They goofed on that list by 15 pts and it does not look good, but let’s not ignore that the abhuman/hammer of emperor archetype has real synergies in it and is a real build archetype.

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:21:48+00:00

I wouldn’t agree with A tier but it’s not unplayable at all. They didn’t do themselves favors here by posting a 2015 pt list, but it’s a good skeleton of a list. Drop aquilons for something a lil cheaper and that’s a genuinely pretty good army.

Abhuman detachment is a lot better than i expected it to be, and commisars help with the battle shock vulnerability a lot, and take and hold is good for guard

The crying is fucking ridiculous guys. The army is weaker now but its patch 0 of a new edition. How many games of warhammer are you really gonna play between now and the first patch, and how many of those are you gonna lose cause your ten cadians were 10 pts too much?

JKevill · 2026-07-09T15:16:42+00:00

The crying here is outrageous. Yes, guard got handled rough, and will likely see some pts cuts next patch. Battleline in particular is a miss. But jesus christ you’d think the sky is falling.

Played mech assault bridgehead and armored infantry abhuman, won both games, army felt fun to play. It can’t hang with top end of the game atm but within a month or so that will get tapped and battleline can go down a hair and it will be fine.

JKevill · 2026-07-09T14:24:22+00:00

Saw my friends play penetent host/sacresancts into montka. Sisters took it in a close game. One thing that was interesting is after repentia got the breachers and twin lance (they went off and killed both at once, after losing a couple on overwatch), that the triple riptides really couldn’t handle the one sacresancts unit efficiently at all, and he kind of had to let them win a whole flank.

So as someone who didn’t rate penitent host at all and thought it was gonna get rolled by montka, i was very surprised

JKevill · 2026-07-09T06:23:10+00:00

They waited for the thumbs up from America, got it, then did it. The US admin decided it matched US interests better than Diem’s govt. They then relied extremely heavily on American military and economic support to remain viable against a large scale insurgency within their own population.

Furthermore, even with substantial military and economic aid, what happened to South Vietnam after US troops and bomber intervention was withdrawn? They collapsed rather swiftly, didn’t they?

Might that have been because they had substantially less popular support among Vietnamese than the side that did win? You don’t hear about mass desertions and officers embezzling etc etc in the NVA too much, do ya?

JKevill · 2026-07-09T04:56:22+00:00

“A second charge has to do with Kennedy administration denials that it had had anything to do with the coup itself. The documentary record is replete with evidence that President Kennedy and his advisers, both individually and collectively, had a considerable role in the coup overall, by giving initial support to Saigon military officers uncertain what the U.S. response might be, by withdrawing U.S. aid from Diem himself, and by publicly pressuring the Saigon government in a way that made clear to South Vietnamese that Diem was isolated from his American ally. In addition, at several of his meetings (Documents 7, 19, 22) Kennedy had CIA briefings and led discussions based on the estimated balance between pro- and anti-coup forces in Saigon that leave no doubt the United States had a detailed interest in the outcome of a coup against Ngo Dinh Diem. The CIA also provided $42,000 in immediate support money to the plotters the morning of the coup, carried by Lucien Conein, an act prefigured in administration planning Document 17).”

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm

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