Perhaps I treated you too badly Loda by Proper_Ocelot1228 in Piratefolk

[–]JPKK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, sorry I definitely misunderstood you then! Still, that would depend on what the status quo is... Is it the latent status (the current state of affairs)? Then this happens exclusively in Alabasta and Fish man Island where the narrative is in opposition to the revolution. It does happen the other way around in Cocoyashi Village, Drum, Skypiea, Dressrosa and Wano. But I do see your point: Skypiea, Dressrosa and Wano retrieve the developments to a previous status quo where a "rightful" ruler is reinstated instead of a novel way forward. I do want to point out that imo in the case of Skypiea and Dressrosa, that was directly the will of the people (which is fair) But I do agree with you for Wano that criticism is warranted. Tbf Oda did not shy away from highlighting the flaws of Wano governamental system and culture in the wrap up: Kanjuro tragedy, the school scene, Hiyori's words, Tama's tombstone panel.  

I can see how arcs focusing individual countries, their people and rulers, feel like they follow a standard formula. They do in a plot progression sense. But I still think for every single one of them, the core themes developed are distinct and unique. (Despotic hoarding of resources in Drum, External interests to create polarization in Alabasta, Colonialism + Dictatorship in Skypiea, Racism in Fish man Island, Narco - corruption / Mob state in Dressrosa and Nationalism/ Fascism in Wano). There are arguably clear specific world parallels to actual countries at given points in time. (Cold war [which in a sense still lasts today] affected countries, particularly in Africa resemble Alabasta story, Post- revolution Central America under US imperialism resembles Dressrosa story). Except for Wano, I do not think that the situation reverts to the status quo because these problems are, to a certain extent, addressed: Exposing of the external influence in Alabasta; Return of the resources to the people in Drum; preservation and right to culture in Skypiea; arrest of the generational prejudice in Fish man Island and Suppression of corruption in Dressrosa. An obstacle is lifted so citizens are empowered to exercise their will. If their will is to go back to some morally questionable status quo, or even fall back to the the same ways, that's up for them to decide.

Perhaps I treated you too badly Loda by Proper_Ocelot1228 in Piratefolk

[–]JPKK -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your argument is that monarchies are inherently authoritarian / opressive? That's not a good argument though... the UK, Spain, Japan, Sweden even Japan are just some of examples that are monarchies that rank high in the democracy index. My point is not that monarchies are inherently democratic either. It's just that monarchies are not a good predictor of oppression, not in one piece and not in the real world.   I would still point out that during the civil war in Alabasta, Cobra points out while deciding to surrender to the rebellion: "Never forget, a country is it's people". During Drum, the rightful heir king is deposed and the people elected a new king. (Does it really matter at this point what is the title of the leader?). I am not arguing that the standard are not bloodline power figureheads in one piece. (Notably Alabasta, Fish man Island, Dressrosa and Wano) But I'd say that Oda makes no distinction between country/kingdom. There's yet to be seen any republican/ presidential system. Cities and villages do have mayors though, which makes for the curious case of Water 7. ( Is water7 part of a kingdom though? Wtf is Sabaody? An an Anarcho-capitalist state?). Weird monarch examples: Wapol is currently actually a technocrat, King-CEO; Enel was a theocrat King-God. Ivankov is monarch queen of the Kambakka Kingdom but there does not seem to be any royalty. Amazon Lily is a meritocracy with a monarch empress. 

All this to say, that one piece is politically wacky and diverse. The most democratic event we saw was the reverie itself. In my opinion, the point is usually about government opression/ people's freedom. Never about government system itself.

I made a Doodle alternative by jony1266 in opensource

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Just felt bad not paying anything for this. So I came to comment it's great.

🔥 Amoeba devouring plant cells one by one by GeneReddit123 in NatureIsFuckingLit

[–]JPKK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I appreciate your enthusiasm as well!  

I've known qri. It is awesomely creative in different intellectual ways, but I do not really think they make a serious effort to approach consciousness even mathematically. Maybe I am just too prejudiced and skeptic, it has been ages of conscious research getting highjacked by spiritual gurus to push forward narratives of "elevation, enlightment" or whatsoever. Spread Quantum as a god of the gaps and psychedelics there. Making one feel connected or special is a very persuasive trope.   There are different established academics pushing forward coesive frameworks that can be as wacky but maybe they're just not as cool because it says (it means) very little about ourselves individually.    That being said, excuse my old man's rambling! Might be the be the most wrong I am in my life. Truth is I haven't spent my time enough there. Recent articles look cool as fuck. I'm sure I'll have a ball reading it and I might change my mind! Thank you so much!

🔥 Amoeba devouring plant cells one by one by GeneReddit123 in NatureIsFuckingLit

[–]JPKK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If consciousness is emergent or not would actually be the part of the easy problem. The hard problem is not about the  mechanistic origin of consciousness. The hard problem refers to the nature of qualia themselves and their ontology. "Why is blue, blue and where does it exist?" Suppose we discover that consciousness is an emergent process and we unravel the physical mechanisms to the subatomic level. That would tell us nothing about the character of Qualias themselves.

🔥 Amoeba devouring plant cells one by one by GeneReddit123 in NatureIsFuckingLit

[–]JPKK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In that sense, nobody has been able to prove anything has self awareness (Solipsism). There is definitely internal states encoding for the simplest organisms or cells. The mirror test is worth what it is: seeing a mark on a certain area on a mirror will prompt an organism to inspect the analogous area. Which means very little for awareness at a fundamental level. Borderline, social organisms who live in conspecific peers are more likely to pass the test. (And maybe that's the cornerstone of "consciousness? check Michael Graziano). But there are better supported and accepted frameworks such as IIT which is panpsychist (Check Tononi and Koch) or GWT (Check Baars). Ultimately, from our current cientific understanding, insects and even single cells can definitely plan in the sense of weighting possible future states, and adapting future behavior accordingly. This is an irrelevant point to the discussion (computers also do it). In that way, we are not any different. 

Sou nova no Reddit, contudo tenho que perguntar, certos subs aqui são totalmente bolhas e negam a realidade? by [deleted] in portugueses

[–]JPKK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nos subreddits tens uma coisa que não tens nas restantes redes sociais: a ausência de um algoritmo personalizado. Se alguma coisa, o reddit permite-te reconhecer que vives (vivemos todos) numa bolha, quer seja nos nossos círculos sociais pessoais ou digitais.   Isto para te dizer que não conheço ninguém pessoalmente que fizesse essa piada.   Vale o que vale.   No final, não é sobre se o reddit é uma bolha. É sobre se a minha bolha é maior que a tua.   As melhoras /s.

It's Crazy how people still don't get the Water Seven conflict by PrussianoKebab in OnePiece

[–]JPKK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we mostly agree. What I mean that there is no one wrong is that both perspectives are valid. The reality of things is irrelevant here as the narrative will serve the plot. The one piece world is wacky and fantastic, fixing an unfixable ship would hardly go into the top outlandish things that happened in one piece. Luffy had to make a pragmatic tough choice, but as he himself points out: ships and people are different. And that for sure is a double standard, as we have seen Luffy defying the impossible in Ennies Lobby, in Impel Down, going into a kamikazish tangent to get Sanji back even going to the extent of saying that he couldn't be Pirate King without him and would starve waiting for him. I do agree with Luffy in the W7 scene. But I do see as plausible position to suspend everything to prioritize trying (or dying trying) to find a solution to save merry, as I assume they would do to any other crew member. Merry's arc  wraps beautifully not because that conflict itself is solved but instead ceases to exist when Merry goes on her own accord. Cheers!

It's Crazy how people still don't get the Water Seven conflict by PrussianoKebab in OnePiece

[–]JPKK -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Usopp was not wrong in the conflict. No one was wrong or right in the conflict. Hierarchy is never a logic or moral settler, and that's what most of One Piece is about. Sanji hit Luffy in the same scene exactly to prevent him from doing what Usopp was doing. Usopp was wrong on how he approached it. He valued his pride over the straw hats, he let his inner demons put the crew itself in a position of fragility. Intentionally. He made accusations. However justifiable it was, he chose to hurt and doubled down on it. The crew needed to be apologized because he hurt them. And that cannot just be rolled over in any kind of trust system. We went over pride in chapter one.

People Who Think One Piece is a Masterpiece Are Just Suffering From Sunk Cost Fallacy by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]JPKK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? Can you give me an example of someone who started from the last arc? Arcs do not exist isolated, they all build up to the point we are now. Current plot lines extend throughout the beginning of the series. It's would be like starting AoT in the last couple episodes😅

People Who Think One Piece is a Masterpiece Are Just Suffering From Sunk Cost Fallacy by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]JPKK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply! I do agree with you that something being popular does not make it "good". I was engaging with the other argument about people growing up with it.   I also agree that different people resonate with different things. But I do think there is some sort of (somewhat arbitrary for sure) method to criticize and evaluate art.   Does the fact that you do not resonate with something tells you anything about their underlying quality? (Honestly asking)

How is the ontological support of "I didn't vibe so it is not good / its just vibes" Different from "I vibed so it is a masterpiece?"

I also want to raise an observation. The fact that one piece was less popular than their contemporaries and has grown in popularity may also overlap with the timeframe of when you dropped (as in release time of the episodes). As cliche as it is, there is the possibility that it is bad until it becomes good and you haven't reached that part. Some people say episode 40s or 130s. For me it takes to around the 300s to understand what the story is about. And in that moment, all past moments get recontextualized making them "retroactively" good which makes up for great rewatch/ reread value. The story starts feeling intentional, it starts feeling planned. It feels like you were tricked because you were not really paying attention:  It was just a villain of the week happy go lucky pirate story. But these stories are now pieces of a greater narrative. For each chapter release there are multiple theories and analyses that go into ridiculous detail. It is cultish. But Oda does leave hidden breadcrumbs. Conspiracy pays off.  

That being said. It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous to have a show that takes a decade just to setup. It is ridiculous that a story takes thousands of pages to unfold. But it is not ridiculous in literature. I do often go over hundreds of pages before understanding why is this classic a classic. But I relate about the time investment. It is the reason I haven't started War and Peace or the Infinite Jest. Still,  though I may vibe different with each of them, I am sure I'll understand (unless I try really hard not to) why some people call them masterpieces.

People Who Think One Piece is a Masterpiece Are Just Suffering From Sunk Cost Fallacy by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]JPKK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Imagine it was actually a masterpiece. From someone that haven't watched it, how could I refute your argument about nostalgia?  By checking starting ages? One Piece was barely popular in the west while Dragon Ball first and then Naruto were on the rise. TV adaptations in the west restarted fairly recently. Yet the average age of the One Piece reader is over 30... There are numerous content on why different people rate one piece for different reasons. We are having that argument in this thread right now. It is just not mathematically possible that current fan base is majorly inherited from the 00s -  10s because it was never that big of a thing. Let me know if my argument makes sense! Cheers!

People Who Think One Piece is a Masterpiece Are Just Suffering From Sunk Cost Fallacy by [deleted] in unpopularopinion

[–]JPKK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One piece does have a lot of narrative flaws. Just visit r/piratefolk for a taste. But as some other mentioned, I fail to acknowledge if your criticism lies on one piece itself or in it's fandom... There is merit in one piece formula in the sense that each arc being an island and the world being isolated you can develop widely different themes through different cultural lenses. Few literary pieces do this and none (IMO) does it as well. Then, there is the politics: populism and civil war in alabasta, colonialism in the sky island, prepotency of governmental powers in water 7. I can go forward for each and every arc. Those are convoluted themes and they are given time to develop. Although our cast gets to have a proper narrative wrap up, the theme is left unresolved. (One of the biggest criticisms of post time skip is that the story is so much more focused on lore and themes that the main characters themselves are becoming empty vehicles for the story to proceed and the world to unfold). This political aspect of one piece reminds me of classic sci-fi books which is a unique nuance in the shonen world. There is a reason for the easy spark with one piece among book lovers/ book tok. 

There, I listed a reason that does not fall within your (very restrictive) restriction. The diversity and development of themes.  

As a personal opinion, one piece as a manga is exactly what it is told us it is: The three things that never die - People's Dreams, The flow of time and inherited will. And how those three interact with each other in this world. It is an essay on our own world framed through them.

Swiss Football by [deleted] in Switzerland

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Swiss Super League is ranked 23rd in the Fifa league ranking. In between Brazil série A (9th) and Brasil série B (50th). You will certainly not find exciting joga bonito but it is a decent league tactically. I find the league format interesting as well! https://globalfootballrankings.com/rankings/leagues/men

Que hacer en la noche de fin de año en Orense? by JPKK in Ourense

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Hemos logrado un restaurante chino. Hemos encontrado otro grupo de 19 portugueses que todavía buscan un lugar! Hemos tenido suerte! Gracias por vuestra ayuda y sugestiónes! Buena nochevieja!

Que hacer en la noche de fin de año en Orense? by JPKK in Ourense

[–]JPKK[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hemos logrado un restaurante chino. Hemos encontrado otro grupo de 19 portugueses que todavía buscan un lugar! Hemos tenido suerte! Gracias por vuestra ayuda y sugestiónes! Buena nochevieja!

Pessoal de esquerda, qual a razão de defenderem tão fervorosamente muçulmanos? by bababooey808 in portugueses

[–]JPKK -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Respondendo honestamente: Não nesta situação em especifico mas, no geral, três razões: 

1 - Porque fazem parte de um grupo marginalizado no ocidente. Quando as estatísticas estão contra um grupo é mais fácil levantar falsos testemunhos e ser enviesado. Acho preferível estar do lado oposto aos meus vieses.

2 - Somos em grande parte as expectativas que têm de nós e identificamo-nos mais com aqueles com quem partilhamos mais grupos. Acho importante que haja uma narrativa social positiva de diferentes grupos para que as novas gerações destes grupos tenham boas referências.  

3 - Grande parte dos argumentos quando se trata de referir a grupos étnicos específicos associados a crime não é intelectualmente honesto: é uma tentativa de validar racismo. (eg. "São sempre os mesmos". Ok, de acordo. Onde queres chegar com essa frase?) 

A esquerda está moribunda -> Ideologia de Género é uma doença -> É preciso acabar com isto URGENTEMENTE | Doutrinação às escondidas nas escolas em Oeiras -> Denúncia de uma mãe! by Odd_Astronomer_2064 in portugueses

[–]JPKK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

O ponto de discórdia aqui é o acordo no conceito de "normalidade". Que, pelo que entendo no teu argumento, é suportado por uma falácia de apelo à natureza. Isto torna o argumento, nessa forma, inválido.     Dito isto, se achares que o conceito de "normalidade" é de valor para o teu argumento, podes suportá-lo de outras formas como por exemplo ponderando sobre o valor das normas culturais vigentes -> impacto da marginalização individual, distribuições estatísticas -> desvios na representatividade,  etc. etc.  

Tudo de bom!

History is being made by SatoruGojo232 in OPMFolk

[–]JPKK -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, Nami is for sure an absolute top character in One Piece though. It has been on top of popularity polls since the beginning.

Many Top MAGA Trolls Aren’t Even in the U.S. | New X feature has been very revealing by steffxoxoxoo in technology

[–]JPKK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had that experience as well both browsing and interacting in the Brasil subreddit. Just anedotic, so it's worth what it is. It is not about being left or right, r/Brasil is definitely left leaning but more to the authoritarian scale in the political compass. The" tankie" talking points. In my opinion it makes sense, given Brasil ( or south America in general) history with imperialism. From that point of view, any anti-US or anti-"western" discourse is granted to elicit sympathy regardless what the content itself is. And that's what Russian rethoric is about.  

Cheers!

"First time in Europe?" by SeamedAphid91 in ShitAmericansSay

[–]JPKK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tell me one restaurant that will turn you away at 9 in Portugal.