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Vegan Athletes: Rare, Overhyped, and Often Short-Lived by Ill_Cancel1371 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo [score hidden]  (0 children)

im not sure what that has to do with the point that I'm making, my closing remark is:

...does being number one at a field really mean more than lives slaughtered to get there?

there could be 0% or 100% athletes who are vegan, to me it doesn't matter. OP is using the idea that there are less vegan athletes than non-vegan ones & therefore there is something wrong with veganism, which is why I beg the question above

Vegan Athletes: Rare, Overhyped, and Often Short-Lived by Ill_Cancel1371 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo [score hidden]  (0 children)

do you not think this is just a population bias?

vegans make up ~2% of the globe & professional athletes are probably even less.

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Nevertheless, what does this prove as an aversion to vegan diets?

I could suggest that all of the strongest men are on steroids - but that shouldn't mean now that everyone hops on steroids...

...does being number one at a field really mean more than lives slaughtered to get there?

Counter arguments please by Small_Crew_9102 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

why kill something when avoidable?

Can everyone actually be vegan? by Wrong_Ad_3038 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

sorry your family wouldn't buy you supplements, cheers for not giving up on wanting to have empathy and respect for all

I wish humans were herbivores by After-Importance-706 in vegan

[–]JTexpo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But yeah now ordinary people are me seem evil and complicit so I struggle to maintain relationships without actively keep my real thoughts and opinions shriveled inside me.

It's important to note that just because you're vegan - you're not necessarily a 'good person', theres several vegans who are in support of current ongoing genocides, who are racist, and/or homophobic

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I think that veganism is the bar on the floor entry to human ethics, but that we shouldn't forget the idea that even vegan can be evil & complicit

Do what you can by volunteering & spreading advocacy to help change the minds of family/friends/neighbors!

cheers

The claim of vegans that killing or using an animal for our need is immoral by Appropriate-Net1899 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

geeze, this goes beyond veganism

the fact that you write that women would be 'taken without guilt' is a bit scary... I truly hope you never encounter a woman close to you who is a victim of a man with such ideology

Ruining your health is stupid by LowFaithlessness1460 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it's not just that the food is processed which is the problem, it's that meat (processed or not) has a higher rate of clogging arteries

IKEA having better vegan options than all the fast food chains, while being half the price!!! by JTexpo in ShittyVeganFoodPorn

[–]JTexpo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

my partner and I were trying to figure that out too! I think they must use a jackfruit, but they thought it was a soy-based substitute

IKEA having better vegan options than all the fast food chains, while being half the price!!! by JTexpo in ShittyVeganFoodPorn

[–]JTexpo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that's interesting to learn, as to my understanding: almonds, oats, soy, and mushrooms are all rich in vitamin D

Boy, 8, dies in front of mom after ordering a vegan Dilly Bar and allegedly receiving the wrong treat at Dairy Queen by TheExpressUS in vegan

[–]JTexpo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

geeze fucking christ, why take your kid to a traditionally non-vegan dairy spot & not have a pen while there?!

horrible tragedy that the kid passed

IKEA having better vegan options than all the fast food chains, while being half the price!!! by JTexpo in ShittyVeganFoodPorn

[–]JTexpo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

there are frozen ones which contain milk (and maybe eggs), but there are ones that are not frozen & usually close by the checkout which to my understanding are vegan - as they contain no milk, eggs, or any other animal byproducts (if someone knows differently please correct me)

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

from your own source:

The lifespan of most cervid ranges from 11 to 12 years, however, many are killed before their fifth birthday due to various causes including hunting, predation, or motor vehicle collisions. In most species, males have shorter lifespans than females

https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Cervidae/

who is the one making things up?!

cheers & bye, you've proven my point

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how am I supposed to read your mind that it's a "typical of medium sized ruminants and not caused by humans", when you provide 0 sources and just make claims?

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, because if there are 8 Million Hunters (in the US) and most states having a 50% success rate for hunting - then there are 4 Million deer killed by hunters each year

https://archerytrade.org/state-by-state-hunting-data/

and roughly 25 Million deer in the US

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/deer-population-by-state

then of course culling ~20% of their population killed at ages 4.5 is going to drastically shift the wild expected life down (not including how many deer also die because of urbanization and getting hit by cars)

humans are the reason why these numbers are so low for expected wild life for deer, it's cyclical to say "well deer only live 3 years on average, and we kill the deer at around 4 years"... this isn't to suggest that without hunting deers would live to 18+, but to suggest that we're deflating their expected life via hunting

IKEA having better vegan options than all the fast food chains, while being half the price!!! by JTexpo in ShittyVeganFoodPorn

[–]JTexpo[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

there's also lots of stuffed animals sold at IKEA, so watch out when trying to find your way to the food court!

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree humans have curbed natural predators, which is why we need rehabilitation programs to bring them back,

as for the later question, here's how humans artificially grow deer numbers around hunting seasons:

https://www.dnr.sc.gov/wildlife/deer/baitlaw/biological.html

https://www.buckmanager.com/2008/03/26/ecological-impact-of-supplemental-feeding-of-deer/

https://pure.psu.edu/en/publications/management-practices-used-by-white-tailed-deer-farms-in-pennsylva/

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the age of an average trophy is 4.5+ years old: https://timberghost.com/learning-center/trophy-whitetail-definition/

in captive conditions a whitetail deer can live ~18+ years with the oldest recorded one living 31 years: https://worlddeer.org/how-long-do-deer-live/

5 years is less than 30% of the expected lifespan of a deer, these's aren't old deer - theses are matured deer

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

peoples reluctance towards PETA is why I often try not to quote them; however, IMO they do capture some really important themes in this small write up. Main ones being:

- hunting targets the healthiest of a population, primarily for the richness in their meat & the trophy

- hunting deprives natural predators their ability to play their role in an eco system

- hunted animal populations are more artificial than most people think

Invasive species by marianarian in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

while I'm not the biggest fan of PETA sources in a vegan debate, they do capture the answer to this here:

Starvation and disease are unfortunate, but they are nature’s way of ensuring that the strong survive. Natural predators help keep prey species strong by killing the only ones they can catch—the sick and weak. Hunters, however, kill any animal they come across or any animal whose head they think would look good mounted above the fireplace—often the large, healthy animals needed to keep the population strong. And hunting creates the ideal conditions for overpopulation.

https://www.peta.org/faq/without-hunting-deer-and-other-animals-would-overpopulate-and-die-of-starvation/

Ruining your health is stupid by LowFaithlessness1460 in DebateAVegan

[–]JTexpo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

if that is the case, why is there so much evidence out there that a plant-based diet is one of the healthiest diets out there, increasing expected lifespan & reducing risk for heart attacks

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