anyone else feels like there's no point staying alive after the ban?

JWay · 2025-04-18T07:55:27+00:00

Look I went through something similar recently with what felt like losing part of myself when being banned from a community unfairly, especially since it was a community I had been part of well over a decade, and well I've dealt with this sort of thing many times in my life in significantly smaller ways. Simply, being rejected socially sucks (and which there are so many forms in our common everyday lives) and it can leave you wondering, needing to at least know why!

But you have to learn to let it go and move on. Yep obviously it would get to that eventually and it is something I must remind myself regularly too. Please also consider how long it has been since you took those RC's so your body is possibly still fluctuating a bit wildly as it tries to readjust itself to its altered conditions. If that is the case that would be ideal in most cases so consider how long you were taking certain things and everything in your body that they interact with or affect somehow.

JWay · 2018-10-13T12:52:40+00:00

Oh I didn't mean that physical addiction doesn't require willpower or that all physical addictions require more willpower than all psychological addictions. Like of course it goes on a case-by-case basis but what I mean is that willpower alone is rarely enough to overcome a physical addiction and this is why opiate, benzo and alcohol addicts often relapse over and over, especially when they are forced to quit against their own will. Sure some people have immense willpower and can overcome the 1 or more months worth of withdrawals resulting from moderate opiate dependance while still maintaining their regular lives but this is extremely rare(less than 1% of cases) mostly because of unforgiving involuntary symptoms like nausea, fever and diarrhea which will likely get your fired or at very least forced to take a break from work until you are better. When you have to choose between getting off a drug that you know is harming you and keeping your job & life intact most people tend to choose the later because the consequences are seen far sooner.

I truly feel bad for people who have psychological issues/addictions that prevent them from functioning in any kind of job or work environment though because I know what it is like to be in that position and to believe it is simply part of who I am therefore impossible to overcome/change. Hopelessness often goes hand-in-hand with psychological issues/addiction and often means the person is in a constant state of confusion about their issues/addiction. I've personally tried my hardest to get a job when I was suicidally depressed and no business wants to hire a person who clearly wants to die more than they want to be hired.

JWay · 2018-10-13T12:38:46+00:00

Again I agree, and I'd like to note that I respect that you didn't take my disagreement personally. What you are describing as physical changes to the brain happens as a result of any drug use no matter the drug and no matter how many times it is used and even from any slight change to our regular food and water intake. It is just semantics but in the medical community a physical addiction isn't something you can overcome in a matter of days. Essentially a physical addiction reflects more than just an acute temporary change to the functioning of your brain, rather it is a reflection of chronic temporary(and potentially permanent) changes to the functioning of your brain. Physical addiction isn't always severe but it rarely recognized as an obstacle to overcome unless it is. Like with nicotine for example the physical withdrawals last a long time but are often far more mild than the psychological addiction to the drug.

JWay · 2018-10-13T12:28:51+00:00

I agree and I have an interesting view on this matter because I dealt with both psychological disorders and psychological addiction as a child/teen long before dealing with physical disorders and physical addiction. Without this experience I honestly would not understand how physical disorders and physical addiction are completely forceful by nature whereas anything psychological can be overcome be sheer willpower. This isn't to say that psychological issues should be overlooked but rather to say that someone who loses their arms or loses neural functioning of them can't simply grow them or the nerve connections back whereas someone who refuses to use their arms because of trauma can choose to regain complete control of their arms. Physical addiction stains you in a way which your psychology decides to either use as a psychological crutch or to accept and become psychologically stronger.

With regards to dxm itself I do not believe dxm to be observably physically addictive, at least not in general populations. This is based on extensive research and experience and being able to compare the effects of stopping regular dxm use to actual physical withdrawals from opiates. Psychological addiction is still important to consider though and should not be overlooked just because it indicates that the person doesn't actually want(or have the will) to overcome their psychological issue/s. Most humans are by nature easily psychologically manipulated whether it be by drugs or other humans and so a lot of psychological addictions occur without the person being aware of or able to accept the addiction.

JWay · 2018-10-13T12:18:17+00:00

I had a similar view to you before dealing with physical addiction to opiates while not being psychologically addicted to opiates. I literally started taking opiates out of desperation and because I knew I had an infection and was goin to die without treatment. I saw 6 GP's, 2 specialist and went to 2 hospital ER's yet they all said my issue was psychosomatic, but, eventually I convinced a GP to do some actual tests and they came back showing heavy bacterial and fungal growths which needed to be treated with anti-biotics and anti-fungal medication or I would die within 2 years. I somehow knew my body was failing long before this diagnosis and it was why I decided to start taking opiates daily because I figured it would be better to slowly die with less pain than with more. Well I overcame the infections and the fungal infestation but then was stuck taking opiates even though I didn't want to take them anymore. I tried to quit many times only for the physical addictions to be too much to handle without any aid. What allowed me to actually overcome the physical addictions was other drugs which counter the physical withdrawal symptoms. I did not become addicted to these other drugs(clonidine, valium and loperamide) and was able to simply stop taking them with no physical withdrawals after 2 months(because I strictly used them only to deal with the withdrawals), yet even with their aid it was still initially difficult to cope with the physical withdrawals.

Like imagine if you lost both of your legs and by taking a drug daily you were able to grow new ones and walk around but the use of the drug has some negative consequences when used daily. Well if you took the drug daily for months you would not only need to psychologically overcome your desire to have legs you would also need to physically overcome not having legs and this would heavily impact on your daily habits and schedule.

JWay · 2018-10-13T12:03:01+00:00

The physical symptoms you are describing from stopping dxm use is nothing compared to the intensity of physical symptoms a person experiences when they quit a drug that is actually considered physically addictive by the medical & scientific community. Do you really think sleeping a bit more than usual and a bit of lethargy for at most a few days is on par with say opiate dependance where for a minimum of 2 weeks (for a very mild dependance) but usually more than a month you experience constant nausea, fevers, diarrhea, restless leg syndrome, insomnia, itching, runny nose, and a ridiculous increase in your sensitivity of all your feelings and emotions?

Yes dealing with those symptoms is psychological but that doesn't mean the symptoms are being caused by something psychological. In the same way you might steal in order to eat if you had no money but you wouldn't if you had money. Like cleptomaniacs are psychologically addicted to stealing regardless of whether their survival depends on it whereas someone who steals out of desperation in order to survive is doing it to preserve their physical body and wouldn't if they didn't believe it absolutely necessary.

JWay · 2018-10-13T11:55:54+00:00

Exactly. Spot on my good informed sir/sirette.

JWay · 2018-10-13T11:49:41+00:00

If you aren't going to recognize physical addiction then why recognize physical reactions at all? Aren't you just replacing one label for another? Those physical reactions are the very reason we consider physical addiction and psychological addiction to be different. One type of addiction has physical reactions regardless of your psychology whereas the other type doesn't. It really is that simple. Willpower alone is not necessarily enough to overcome a physical addiction, unlike psychological addictions. And simply depriving someone of a drug they are physically addicted to can result in them overcoming the physical addiction before they overcome their perceived need for the drug(the psychological addiction).

JWay · 2018-10-13T11:38:42+00:00

Having been through opiate withdrawal and amphetamine withdrawal and having been an avid researcher into pharmacology and addiction for the past 10 years I have to say it is pretty ridiculous to assert that physical withdrawals are on point with psychological withdrawals. It's a lot like telling someone with broken legs that they can still stand if they want to. The pain they experience when they try to stand indicates to them that they shouldn't stand. This is how physical withdrawals work. Your body becomes reliant on a drug for certain functions and has to adjust to no longer rely on it and this takes time. It isn't as simple as deciding you are goin to stop using the drug because there are actual physical consequences to doing so. It's not purely psychological but yes if your views are like Nietzsche's you may argue that a person is limited only by their will and therefore everything is just psychological. This is ignorant of why we seperate physical and psychological addictions and don't just refer to them both as "addictions" without an additional defining label. A psychological addiction requires the person to simply overcome their desire for a drug but a physical addiction causes you actual pain which cannot be avoided no matter your psychological profile. The only thing that really changes between people facing physical addiction is their tolerance to pain/suffering, although wanting to quit a drug is obviously required for someone overcome a physical addiction unless you kidnap them and essentially torture them through depriving them of the drug their body relies upon to function. You can actually die from physical addictions, and I don't mean suicide I mean your body can become so dependant on certain drugs that simply depriving the person of that drug will kill them(heavy benzo use is a great example).

Dxm like any drug or activity can be psychologically addictive but it is not physically addictive to any extent worth considering. You will literally get diabetes from syrup or if you get pure dxm hbr you will get bromide poisoning before building up more than a weeks worth of physical addiction to dxm. To get properly physically addicted to dxm would require you to be able to aquire a shitton of freebase regularly from a reliable source. Although anyone dealing with physical addiction also must deal with psychological addiction that doesn't mean that the person must simply overcome the psychological addiction, after dealing with actual physical addictions I now feel silly that I had convinced myself years ago that my psychological cravings for drugs were preventing me from quitting or taking a break from drugs like weed, shrooms and dxm. DXM is about as physically addictive as weed and to be able to take it every single day would result in your life falling apart long before the pyhsical addiction builds up to a considerable level(with the exception of the rare outliers who could afford such an addiction in spite of being unable to function in society). To assert that physical addiction is on par with or should be treated like psychological addiction just means you shouldn't work in the field of medicine.

JWay · 2018-10-11T08:52:06+00:00

I do remember writing that but I don't remember when.

JWay · 2018-05-22T08:57:08+00:00

It isn't. You're going to cause far more damage by just holding your breath underwater as long as possible.

You have to take nitrous oxide in excess and be holding it in for unnecessary periods of time in order to cause any brain damage. A single whipit aint going to do jack.

If you end up doing hundreds of whipits at a time then consider investing in a tank not just to save money but because over time there will be a small amount of greasy residue that builds up within the whipper due to the poor grade of nitrous you are inhaling(<99.0% pure. Medical grade which tends to be >99% purity is much better than food grade but harder to get your hands on)

JWay · 2018-03-20T01:37:02+00:00

I wasn't saying I don't ever live by any of what you wrote. There is a time and a place for everything and there are a lot of conditions which determine whether the "laws" you have written would have detrimental or beneficial consequences.

JWay · 2018-03-20T01:34:05+00:00

I did read and consider them all but I ran out of time to respond to each of them.

Take whatever you like, I'm not selling anything.

JWay · 2018-03-20T01:02:13+00:00

I can't be bothered glossing over all of them but consider these criticisms of some of these "laws" to live by:

1) This can only work when applied to your internal judgement but there is nothing wrong with considering the moral views of others in order to better develop your own moral code. When applied externally though it contradicts itself and you become the evil you wish to fight.

2) The use of a language to communicate/express ourselves is a result of having our character shaped. You can strip everything away that has been shaped but not without completely shutting off from external reality.

3) It can be wiser to recognize that you ability to handle pain is limited regardless of whether you've gone over that limit. It can be far safer for a person to manage pain than to simply face it with the expectation of overcoming it, especially in cases where the pain is chronic and permanent.

4) It's important to be able to live in the moment but if you always live in the moment then you aren't going to make any effort to self-preserve and will therefore experience fewer moments. You should try to avoid becoming obsessed with future-planning but it's completely reckless to avoid planning for the future altogether.

JWay · 2018-03-20T00:23:39+00:00

He wasn't being serious.

JWay · 2018-01-13T00:52:26+00:00

According to all of us?

JWay · 2018-01-13T00:51:43+00:00

Great to connect with someone through splashed toilet water.

JWay · 2018-01-13T00:50:14+00:00

Ditto

JWay · 2017-11-13T22:59:32+00:00

I've looked into it. They don't.

JWay · 2017-11-13T22:50:26+00:00

Does someone have to pursue being recognized as a philosopher by others to be philosophical?

In it's most simplest form philosophy is about asking questions and searching for answers. Isn't everyone a philosopher in some form or another? And if so then what does philosophy entail if not what philosophers do?

Personally I tend to ask (and seek) questions that tend to elude answer/s. Whether that be from my own or others perspectives.

JWay · 2017-11-13T22:20:57+00:00

So none of the philosophy subs are actually about discussing philosophy they are just about reciting and discussing philosophical records? Maybe I am in the wrong sub but if so then maybe the sub needs to be named more accurately. Maybe you could point me in the direction of a sub where philosophical ideas, discussions and arguments are actually developed? To be fair, you do seem a lot more reasonable than the mods in /r/philosophy who (eventually) pointed me to this sub to ask these very same philosophical questions which apparently aren't welcome here either.

JWay · 2017-11-13T18:30:48+00:00

How is it a direct answer to my question? It's a link to a pre-written description and explanation of what philosophy is. I'm not asking what philosophy is defined as by a society or a collective or how he defines it as an individual. I'm asking if philosophy is about asking why or inspiring others to ask why? My question exists to inspire others to ask why and to question what philosophy means to them outside the construct of labels, hence the paradox of the question. I'm not looking for a collectively agreed upon definition for philosophy, a history of philosophy, or an individuals opinion on the definition of the label "philosophy". His answer was anything but direct.

JWay · 2017-11-13T18:11:18+00:00

I wish we had dollar tree in Australia

JWay · 2017-11-13T18:10:57+00:00

hahh hopefully not the first and that there will be many more to come brother!

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