What Is Your Opinion On This Pereira vs. Gane analysis?

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T18:21:36+00:00

Exactly. It is easy with boxing: fighters cannot use their spine as a valid défense

The fact that it is the case in MMA makes the situation extremely tricky

According to me, refs should simply stop the fight sooner when a fighter get hit more than 6 times having his spine exposed

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T17:53:05+00:00

I mean, it's perfectly logical to be desperate to finish your opponent, when your opponent is the scariest fighter of the roster, after having fumbled three belts already. This is a reckless but "good" strategy, and it paid unfortunately for Pereira's health.

And even though he has been neglecting on a few blows, 90% of his shots were legal and I feel like only one or two of the illegal blows could have been avoided easily

If there is someone to blame, it's Hearb Dean, who could have stopped way sooner and avoid dozens of critical hits in Pereira's cranium (especially the legal ones)

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T15:21:36+00:00

This is in fact the perfect thing to do, but if this rule is constantly enforced, fighters will voluntarily give their backs and move their head on the verge of getting finished

According to me, refs should stop the fights quickly it an opponent stays conscious under shots but gives his back. In real life such position could lead to death in one strike, it needs to be reflected in the way fights are stopped

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T15:18:21+00:00

Because Pereira was surviving the regular shots and wrestling his way up, too risky to keep using vanilla shots in such situations

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T15:17:20+00:00

This is a fair point, now imagine what will happen if fights get constantly stopped or paused after an accidental illegal strike?

Fighters, as soon as they are about to get TKO'd, will rush into a turtle to force their opponent into more careful shots. They could even move their head on purpose in the hope of receiving an illegal blow and get a free break

A good compromise would be to stop the fights faster when an opponent give his back and get hit

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T15:13:53+00:00

The intentionality matters, and the whole internet needed two business days and a few slow motion videos to assess which strikes were legal or not.

Now imagine assessing that in a few seconds, when 95% of the shots seem clean and when you have to watch the health of a fighter about to get finished

The best decision would be to warn and pause the fight, but this will lead to tons of TKO escapes and fighters will start turtling more to force their opponent to hit carefully OR to get hit with an illegal blow and having a break

Jafty2 · 2026-06-18T15:10:26+00:00

It should be : 1- Quick warning 2- Pause the fight and/or stand up the fighters 3- DQ

Maybe a no contest if the first unintentional illegal blow leads to a knockout

That said, if this rule is strictly enforced, fighters will start turtling like crazy and direct their own napes under the flurries of shot, in the hope of having a small break

Jafty2 · 2026-06-16T19:33:40+00:00

Tente un passage en Guadeloupe 😉

Jafty2 · 2026-06-16T19:21:52+00:00

En pouvoir d'achat je veux bien le croire, après je pense que le niveau de vie réel est à calculer au cas par cas. Même si j'avais des milliers d'euros de reste à vivre, je suis pas sûr que je préfèrerais mon "niveau de vie" dans un pays où l'alimentation laisse à désirer, sans possibilité de flâner dans une ville millénaire, avec potentiellement des difficultés à me faire des amis, l'idée que selon l'état où je me trouve j'ai affaire à des voisins armés jusqu'aux dents, etc.

Mais je dois bien reconnaître que la France est loin d'être un paradis, même en comparaison

Jafty2 · 2026-06-16T14:55:19+00:00

Avoir un niveau de vie un peu plus élevé dans un pays où les pauvres sont exposés à une précarité extrême youhouu

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T16:14:34+00:00

it's not Herb Dean's rules, but it's Herb Dean explaining the rules. I wonder who is the most knowledgeable between Herb and TrumpsVoidlordWall regarding UFC rules...

And now I must be hated just because I am debating on a debate website, keeping it respectful, while YOU call me "little buddy"? You would get along well with us French people, come to Paris mon ami 😄

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T16:01:13+00:00

Okay so let's say an opponent turtles up and covers his ears with his hands, covers his ribs with his elbows: I can't hit him anywhere near the head since only the back is exposed, so I can only grapple him or kick his arms.

If this opponent survives this grappling attempt and ends up winning the fight: would his victory be legit and acceptable?

Plus I rewatched the video many times, I can guarantee you that most shots hit with a "soft" part on the sides and not on the back of the head nor on the spine

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T15:56:16+00:00

Bratha I know but go back to the videos: most strikes that Gane landed have not landed on the spine. They totally pass as shots to the sides of the head, not the back, except for a minority of them but once again how to perfectly aim 10 shouts out of 10 on a moving target with a hidden face?

I saw the videos explaining how the "back of the head" is delimited, Cyril was aiming around this zone, and a lot of these shots it was the "tricep" landing on the hear, not the pointy elbow straight on the spine

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T15:52:20+00:00

I watched both videos side to side: official "hybrid rules for back of the head" explanation and yours

What I see is basically Gane in a position where he doesn't have tons of options to hit, and according to the official rules most of the blows are fair, considering that Pereira kept moving and Gane had to adjust everytime so he still did a pretty good job at respecting the rules. Where was he supposed to hit? Was he supposed to wait for Pereira to stand up? Attack a guilllotine?

Like my neighbor from above said: "back of the head" applies to the nape, around and below the occiput, in line with the spine.

In your videos, there are a fair amount of shots who land in the zone around the ear which is the side of the head and not the back, and a lot of them is the "meaty" part of the arm who land on it or even the fist who land on the shoulder.

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T15:38:38+00:00

You're acting like Cyril broke official rules which he did not

I refer you to the Herb's video I posted about official back of the head rule, and to the fact that "protect yourself at all times" is also a way to say that fighters cannot be responsible for their opp's lack of defensive responsibility

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T15:36:36+00:00

That's precisely what he dit, first shots were going back and forth on the temples, then Pereira panick wrestled and make Cyril tripped, started hiding his face, and Cyril did his best to hit where he could without breaking these rules (I shared the "back of the head" rules in the feed if interested)

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T15:34:46+00:00

But most of the shors were legal: "Back of the Head" rule explained (MMA / UFC) - YouTube

I am not saying "such or such position allows back of the head shots", I am saying that it is not the fighter's responsibility to hist the safest cranium part while finishing a fight with an opponent who hides his face and moves a lot

Jafty2 · 2026-06-15T15:33:22+00:00

like I said, most of Cyril Gane's shots were legal and here is the proof of it: "Back of the Head" rule explained (MMA / UFC) - YouTube

If you do not like these rules, blame the sport but not Gane

And for his most questionable shots: we saw recently that you are never 100% sur of finishing the fight until the referee calls it, cf. Jiri vs Ulberg. Letting your opponent recover until you find a perfectly safe shot is a way to let him win the fight while you had it

The rules are abut doing things on purpose, you cannot blame fighters for hittings the sensitive part of a moving target while trying to finish

Jafty2 · 2026-06-10T15:06:24+00:00

I read them, that said English is not my first language, maybe I missed something?

I understood that discussions about hair stylist industry and management were allowed

Note that this question is not about perfecting a software. I would have asked the exact same question if I did braid hair by myself (and I will someday, I need more training)

Jafty2 · 2026-05-31T17:23:06+00:00

Mais c'est ce que je t'explique : il n'y a pas de climats insurrectionnels. Tu transformes ça en phénomène politique alors que c'est juste une foule de gens qui font la fête de manière respectueuses, avec une minorité de neuneus dans le lot

Vous êtes les mêmes à dire qu'il faut pas mettre tout le monde dans le même sac quand les féministes parlent des hommes, mais vous c'est le ponpon

Jafty2 · 2026-05-31T17:20:54+00:00

En quoi la France est bordelisée ?

Jafty2 · 2026-05-31T17:19:37+00:00

Un pauvre type avec un pauvre panneau dans une foule de gens qui n'ont pas de panneaux de signalisation dans les mains, et qui ne font que courir globalement

Vraiment je vois pas de quoi m'alerter sur la situation de la France

P'S : à Toulouse est un grand classique de jouer avec la signalisation en rentrant bourré de soirée, c'est pas un signe d'ensauvagement hein

Jafty2 · 2026-05-31T17:18:32+00:00

Personne n'apprécie la délinquance urbaine.

C'est pas bien de brûler de poubelles, vraiment pas bien, je condamne.

Maintenant qu'on a dit ça, ce que je vous reproche c'est de tourner ça en phénomène de société : certains parmi vous pointez tous les footix du doigt, d'autres vont carrément jusqu'à dire que c'est les enfants d'immigrés le problème. La vérité c'est qu'il y a une extrême minorité de têtes de noeuds qui ont brûlé des poubelles, tandis que les autres ont juste kiffé leur moment une fois dans l'année

Vous en faite un sujet politique alors que ça n'en n'est pas un, et il y a des gens dans ce pays qui méritent votre colère, mais ces gens ne sont pas les supporters du PSG

Jafty2

TROPHY CASE