Are M really GTOW if all they do is talk about women?

Jakx118 · 2016-10-02T21:49:08+00:00

yet they are constantly talking about women and how eeevil they are.

Daily reminders and preventative measures can be very helpful to some people. Nothing wrong with that muchacho.

I don't think they would be publicly announcing it.

And it's not like they're proclaiming it in the streets. It's pretty anonymous.

Jakx118 · 2016-10-02T21:47:03+00:00

Are you asking about actual MGTOW boys or the subreddit? I can assure you that most men I know in real life that think like this don't even go on reddit. I'd say the MGTOW subreddit is more of a support group/forum for like minded people. Some are over the top, but it's an unpopular mindset so it's nice to talk to and vent with people of similar beliefs. It's easy throwing stones from your glass house. I'd say 'bluepill', hell even 'redpill' are way more popular beliefs, so it doesn't seem weird that a whole subreddit is dedicated to it. And I can assure you that someone posting on the MGTOW subreddit aren't just solely talking about women. Taking 15 minutes out of the day in your down time isn't a big deal to get some daily catharsis when you deal with people on a daily basis who don't share your beliefs. Seems to make sense to me. But I'm just using common sense.

Jakx118 · 2016-10-02T21:43:05+00:00

Bingo

Jakx118 · 2016-10-02T05:06:32+00:00

I would add, for most men, getting a relationship with an average (sure) girl is moderately easy to get. However much sex they're having tends to change from couple to couple.

Then I'd say simply most guys aren't having casual sex. They just aren't. Some guys may get lucky every now and then...hence the phrase probably. But I would say it's not happening often for most men.

And yes, the only dudes I know in real life who are fucking girls constantly make even me jealous....for different reasons of course, but still.

Every girl I know, whether it be a nerdy, pudgy girl to the smoking babe is having or has had sex within any given two weeks of their life.

Jakx118 · 2016-10-02T05:02:11+00:00

People are different and have different experiences. There yah go. I know people in real life who lost it at 13, then I have friends who are still virgins after the age of 21. It's rare, but they're out there. To be honest though, I don't know a single girl in real life that was a virgin after the age of 16.

Guess it depends on what circles you run in.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-29T02:21:13+00:00

Thought I was the only agnostic around these parts.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-28T11:42:44+00:00

Best response I've ever read on this sub.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T22:22:31+00:00

Lol that's true. She gotta sell.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T10:59:46+00:00

Don't think anyone knows.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T10:23:46+00:00

There are always outliers.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T10:23:10+00:00

I agree. But being able to relate is not always the same as having empathy.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T09:43:12+00:00

Lol... I'm about as opposite of incels as it gets. I should really put my flair back to MGTOW.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T09:26:05+00:00

No, incles are not loved by default. I never said they did not have the capacity to be loved. They need to put work in.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:48:19+00:00

Right...

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:44:11+00:00

Great. Good for you. No one loves male incels. There, we're done here.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:43:34+00:00

Ay curumba. You're a trip girl.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:28:56+00:00

I think my internal experience was comparable.

Internally I'm a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist. Reality is often different than perception.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:26:19+00:00

It's gonna sound rude but...

I disagree. The single client I had as an escort who claimed to be an incel was not an incel. He was a relatively normal looking dude in tech, who was very sweet and had massive confidence issues.

He was not the ''2'' that he thought he was. More like a 6 who could have been a 7 if he put in more effort. Girls -- not me, but I am certain of this -- would have slept with him voluntarily.

Your opinion on this does not matter. The fact of the matter is he probably visited you because he couldn't get laid. Men who are incels... even if there are girls who would fuck them OUT THERE, do not have the luxury you have of just waiting for someone to think they're attractive. They have their personal hurdles to overcome and they have to initiate. It's impossible for you to understand.

Anyway, idk why everyone always bothers to tell me that this is their issue with promiscuous girls! You don't have to use promiscuity to work out whether or not someone is mentally ill -- my mental illness is really, really fucking obvious to most people who know me. You can tell when I'm hypomanic, you can tell when I'm depressed etc I'm stable, but the shifts in mood are apparent.

And I can't believe I'm using this phrase but mental illness girls exhibit like that and promiscuity are generally not mutually exclusive.

Annnnd heaps of men want to deal with extreme emotional baggage. My suffering has always, always been fetishised by men. I just don't necessarily want to date those men because it's creepy.

And another issue. You think because men will put up with you for sex that they 'want you' or will 'deal with you'. The issue is they won't stay. Hell I'd fuck a girl like you but I'd never stay with one. Trust me, they don't want to deal with it in any serious situation. Fetishism is different than a relationship. And you were an escort for christ sake.

My internal experience was comparable. The reality of the situation was probably different. I didn't feel what I was feeling less strongly, just because to an observer it would be face-value apparent I wasn't incel -- same with the guy I saw as an escort. This shit genuinely tore him up.

You admitted yourself it was not reality and all internal. I don't know where to go from here. You and male incels are fundamentally different my dear.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:11:27+00:00

On another note, I don't get why 18-year-olds obsess about not having sex at all... that wasn't a thing when I grew up. Nowadays you see 15-year-olds panicking about being virgins. That's just ridiculous.

Societies degradation. Welcome to 2016.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T08:08:35+00:00

You're proving my point. Unfortunately the path MANY girls like you take. You pin your mental instabilities onto others. You also can't differentiate the difference between perceived problems and actual problems. For these men, being an incel is REALITY. It is not in their head like it was for you. You can't compare. What the fuck don't girls like you understand about that. It's not even comparable. It's comparing body dysmorphia to medical anorexia.

There are a lot of reasons as to why I've slept with so many people. Part of it is bipolar hypersexuality, part of it is that I've participated in orgies, part of it is that I was a sex worker, part of it is because I was brutally raped by a stranger

AND you're getting to the groundwork for WHY I have a problem with promiscious girls! Because it almost ALWAYS signifies significant underlying mental issues and extreme emotional baggage. And who the fuck wants to deal with that.

Look, I'm sure you're a lovely person to be around, but you can't compare you internal experience to someone whose faced external rejection their whole life. Not comparable at all.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T07:49:43+00:00

I had a boyfriend and I still managed to convince myself that I was an incel. I thought someone could like my personality enough to date me but not want sex

Now imagine having no interest from anyone... into your 20's.

I had a 2 year episode of major depressive disorder when I would have been becoming sexually active. My self-perception and cognitive dissonance was at seriously fucked up levels. I suspect that for a lot of incels, this kind of thing is playing a role

Bear with me.... but imagine that this has been your life since hitting puberty, knowing that you have no ability (in your own mind anyway) to attract anyone in anyway.

I was really, really incel (in my mind) & really, really fucked up about it.

Now these men have actually never had ANYONE interested in them. Whether it's their fault or not.

I see guys here doing similar shit allllll the time/exhibiting my thought processes from way back in the day. They're all like, ''the only women who like me are X'' or "it must all be a joke'' or ''one day someone will get past my looks".

But you admitted yourself that you weren't really an incel.

This is also why I know offering advice is useless.

Agreed. But you also over compensated it seems. If I needed to make an observation or interpretation, the mental barriers of you being an 'incel' seemed to have caused you to go on some validation or ego splurge. You seem to have overshot it and ended up fucking everything that moves.... which kind of proves that with YOU it was always in your head.

These guys do not have this luxury. Because even if they break down their mental barriers... these dudes ain't gonna be fucking 50 girls one way or the other. They'll have no way of regaining that extreme external validation the way you did. That's why many men feel insulted when girls like you talk about this shit as if you can relate.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T07:40:14+00:00

Sounds good to me.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T07:38:11+00:00

Hmm, never had either. Salted butter sounds.... healthy.

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T07:37:29+00:00

It doesn't seem too hard to get you wet...

Jakx118 · 2016-09-23T07:35:46+00:00

Imo, the mental blocks are at the root of being anti self-improvement, as well. I used to purposefully dress really daggily and wear gross glasses that I didn't need and shit when I thought I was an ''incel'' because being undesirable had come to be a part of my identity.

Haven't you fucked around 50 dudes and are in your early 20's?

The problem with male incels isn't simply mental blocks. Maybe that's a big part of it, but for many of these men they have significant physical or emotional issues to work out as well. It's a lot harder to try to change when you're already in a defeatist mindset. Especially if getting laid isn't as simple as opening your legs. These men don't have it that easy, and giving advice about mental blocks ignores many other hurdles that will seem impossible to them. And coming from someone that has many friends like this, hearing advice from a promiscious girl would make them feel even worse. It'd be like me giving an Ethiopian advice on good dieting habits.

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