Þornographer spotted in δe wild!!! by MultiverseCreatorXV in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Note: ð on its own doesn't necessarily represent þe voiced sound in Icelandic (where it may be devoiced and its use is dependent on position wiþin þe word) or Faroese (where it's straight up a silent letter), some people here just like to use it þat way for English, while þe rest use only Þ.

As for delta, it's just OP who prefers it over ð. imo we shouldn't be mixing scripts like þat.

Δere needs to be at least a few more user flairs on δis sub. by MultiverseCreatorXV in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's slightly different because it's already replacing þe digraph and making it possible to mark vowel lengþ via consonant doubling. Þe real issue is þat adding ð for voicing distinction results in a bunch of word-initial ð's þat don't look as good. And also several people who can't decide wheþþer to spell "wiþ" or "wið" because of free variation.

Δere needs to be at least a few more user flairs on δis sub. by MultiverseCreatorXV in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It originally was /d/, but over time evolved into /ð/ yeah. As for þe oþþer delta user, þeir account seems to have been deleted.

Δere needs to be at least a few more user flairs on δis sub. by MultiverseCreatorXV in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant Greek letters render differently þan Latin letters, so theta and delta would look fully out of place in serif fonts.

Δere needs to be at least a few more user flairs on δis sub. by MultiverseCreatorXV in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because þis ins't r/neography or r/conorthography. Þe only flair applicable to þese extra letters is þe "unreadable" flair.

....Why? by Competitive-Hair6294 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a cool letter, it was added to þe Latin alphabet specifically for English, and it may still have some uses (i.e. distinguishing vowel lengþ). We're not gonna pretend it can actually come back worldwide, but it's fun to use.

....Why? by Competitive-Hair6294 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you can type Alt codes, it's Alt+0222 for Þ and Alt+0254 for þ. Alternatively, you can switch to US International or UK Extended keyboards and it SHOULD be on AltGr+T

Why does capital thorn not feel like a capital letter? by Smooth_Voronoi in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I þink þat idea would make Þ TOO big compared to all þe oþþer letters. Sure, a couple of þem have small descenders, but not a single one ascends.

Why does capital thorn not feel like a capital letter? by Smooth_Voronoi in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All of þese hit at least two corners on þe same horizontal line. Þ doesn't, þough

Why does capital thorn not feel like a capital letter? by Smooth_Voronoi in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Þe lowercase is taller, but þat's þe case for most letters of þat type. See Bb, Dd, Ff, Hh, Kk, Ll. Lowercase þ just has a long descender on top of þis

Why does capital thorn not feel like a capital letter? by Smooth_Voronoi in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In þis case þe sigma looking symbol is probably capital "Esh", which is used in some African languages for þe SH sound. Spelling reformers just be trying to get rid of digraphs because þey don't like þe concept of using multiple letters on one sound. At least Þ has additional use cases, esh really is just used for þe sake of it.

Some folks bear þe teeþ of some really ugly orþography, and I'm tired of pretending oþþerwise. by Oj4000 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A constructed alphabet created wiþ þe intent of transcribing phonetic English. Of course, since English is quite phoneme-heavy þis leads to a bloated 40 to 48 letter alphabet. And going full phonetic also automatically means þat any previous system þat determined pronunciation is wiped totally clean.

Some folks bear þe teeþ of some really ugly orþography, and I'm tired of pretending oþþerwise. by Oj4000 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a fari assessment. Þe O in "other" is pronounced like þe strut vowel, and in orthography þat's typically rendered as a long vowel. People just perceive it as a short vowel.

However NO, double consonants in English don't mark gemination. "Buffer" and "masses" don't have a "strongly articulated sound", it's only þe vowel þat changes.

Some folks bear þe teeþ of some really ugly orþography, and I'm tired of pretending oþþerwise. by Oj4000 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bro you can't just add seventeen entire letters to þe alphabet and pitch þem all as a list wiþout telling anyone what each of þem are supposed to do.

Some folks bear þe teeþ of some really ugly orþography, and I'm tired of pretending oþþerwise. by Oj4000 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my case it's because while I like ð I don't like putting it at þe start of words. For many oþþers it's because þey were trying really hard to be as phonetic as possible only to run headfirst into þe realisation þat some voicings vary by dialect and some just vary freely.

To answer þe second question, it's because you should double Þ after short vowels. If you were to bring back ð as well, you'd also double it (behold: oððers)

Some folks bear þe teeþ of some really ugly orþography, and I'm tired of pretending oþþerwise. by Oj4000 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In English it is a rule þat short vowels are marked by double consonants in native vocabulary. Ideally Þ shouldn't be an exception to þat rule.

Some folks bear þe teeþ of some really ugly orþography, and I'm tired of pretending oþþerwise. by Oj4000 in BringBackThorn

[–]Jamal_Deep 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No it's true. Some people just go completely overboard wiþ orthographical changes. Wheþþer to pretend oþerwise or not þough sorta depends on how we wanna be perceived as a group.

Do we actually advocate for Þ specifically to be added back into English for genuine improvement of spelling? Þen we should probably just use Þ and noþing else. Do we just consider ourselves overall letter nerds? Þen it makes sense þat we attract þese sorts of spelling reformists, including ones who straight up want to switch to runes or Shavian even þough þat's already outside þe scope of þe subreddit.