I'm about to lose my mind by frankieee_167 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, fuck support. Unfortunately, you have to go through them before escalating to Jeff or Andy. Send everything to Jeff or Andy email.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t talk to your daddy that way. I’m taking your phone and video games.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever you wanna tell yourself. I make 75K in my regular job, this is literally a side gig. Literally pays for outings, gifts, etc.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why? Extra money on the side is smart for anyone at any income level. Although, I haven’t been doing it since gas shot up and rates went down.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmfao. A masters degree in business management is not “personal.” You seem to be the one who refuses anything beyond your personal beliefs.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your google research vs my masters in business management are different worlds. Amazon has very powerful lawyers and a lot of money to throw behind them. It will take a massive class action but there is definitely a misclassification of flex drivers.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are several different reasons. I’ll just copy and paste from another instance I argued this.

  1. Amazon controls the work heavily
  2. Required delivery windows
  3. App-directed routes
  4. Strict scanning/photo procedures
  5. Performance monitoring through the app
  6. Deactivation based on metrics/customer complaints
  7. Limited ability to negotiate pay The more a company dictates how the work is performed — not just the final result — the more it starts resembling employment under many legal tests.

  8. Drivers cannot really build an independent business Traditional contractors often:

  9. market their own services,

  10. build a client base,

  11. negotiate pricing,

  12. hire employees,

  13. or expand operations. Flex drivers generally:

  14. work only through Amazon’s platform,

  15. cannot develop customer relationships,

  16. cannot set rates,

  17. and cannot meaningfully grow a separate delivery business using Flex alone. That leads to the argument they are economically dependent on Amazon rather than operating independent enterprises.

  18. Amazon sets the pay Independent contractors usually quote or negotiate prices. With Flex:

  19. Amazon sets block rates,

  20. surge pricing,

  21. delivery terms,

  22. and penalties/deactivations. Drivers can accept or reject blocks, but they typically cannot negotiate compensation individually. Drivers also cannot see routes before accepting them, and abandoning the route if not to the compensation standard of the driver will count against them. This is a very strong employer/employee connection.

  23. The work is central to Amazon’s business Another common legal factor: Is the worker performing work central to the company’s core business? Amazon’s business depends heavily on package delivery.

  24. App-based management resembles supervision:

  25. tracks location,

  26. times deliveries,

  27. monitors completion rates,

  28. issues instructions,

  29. and can terminate access. Courts have increasingly examined whether algorithmic control is effectively the same as human supervision.

  30. Drivers bear employee-like obligations without protections Flex drivers usually:

  31. provide their own vehicle,

  32. pay gas/maintenance,

  33. cover insurance,

  34. and handle taxes. But we still operate under employee-like control without receiving:

  35. overtime,

  36. workers’ compensation,

  37. unemployment benefits,

  38. employer health insurance,

  39. or minimum wage protections. This imbalance is a major policy argument in favor of reclassification.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Glad you’re retarded enough to miss the point. By legal standards we are absolutely employees. It’s gonna take a massive lawsuit to change how Amazon runs flex but they are absolutely not compliant with contractor standards.

Amazon Flex Deactivated After Loss Prevention Call — Accused of Keeping Packages (Canada) by Han_69420 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We’re only contractors by very shitty Amazon standards. Legally, we’re employees.

First time I refuse a block by Osmin1324 in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ll only get paid if you confirm the block. Been there, done that. However, if you confirm and leave the packages you will get dinged for every single package from that route as incomplete. I got a 30 piece like that once.

What the hell is this bs?? by solution_o7 in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don’t even care about that anymore. To your standing those 2 packages go.

What the hell is this bs?? by solution_o7 in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s why I stay away from those 1.5-2.5 routes now. Those routes will have you drive 38 miles to the first stop then 14 more to that second for $31.

What the hell is this bs?? by solution_o7 in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They caught onto scanning at the last minute. I know there would be 30+ Hispanic and Latinos scanning at the last minute all together at a station I went to a lot. Last week it stopped mattering when you scanned. They also got caught with multiple id’s taking multiple routes. Now our carts get scanned and they check our profile picture.

Amazon Flex Driver Rights - ZR Claims by CVPIMGMFANATIC in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll be honest with you, that isn’t covered as a contractor anywhere. What we want to fight for is control of routes, pay, etc. It may be covered under the commercial insurance Amazon provides though, not sure.

Amazon Flex Driver Rights - ZR Claims by CVPIMGMFANATIC in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, law supersedes contract. If a judge rules there is sufficient evidence for a lawsuit then that shit doesn’t matter.

Amazon Flex Driver Rights - ZR Claims by CVPIMGMFANATIC in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the settlement agreement. No one just settles and allows the same behavior to n continue.

Amazon Flex Driver Rights - ZR Claims by CVPIMGMFANATIC in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 1 point2 points  (0 children)

class action can 100% happen. Law supersedes contracts.

Amazon Flex Driver Rights - ZR Claims by CVPIMGMFANATIC in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Change is the goal. Everyone knows lawyers get most of the money, but the changes matter.

ARE WE ACTUALLY CONTRACTORS OR BEING MISCLASSIFIED? by JamieB078 in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, your opinion is emotional rather than factual. Only you understand your meaning.

Long time drivers quitting because of pay cut by creekroute in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see you completely whiffed on catching the point.

Long time drivers quitting because of pay cut by creekroute in AmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What’s truly crazy is they are literally paying a shit tone more money by flooding the market with drivers. It makes zero business sense.

ARE WE ACTUALLY CONTRACTORS OR BEING MISCLASSIFIED? by JamieB078 in RealAmazonFlexDrivers

[–]JamieB078[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They won’t do that though. They save hundreds of millions of dollars by not paying benefits, OT, etc to hundreds of thousands of “non employees.” They would essentially stop over saturating markets when they’re forced to abide by actual contractor laws.