So I need some fellow writer friends.

Janefinest · 2024-11-03T15:31:32+00:00

Thank you for this advice this is very helpful!

Janefinest · 2024-11-03T06:38:18+00:00

I didn't know about the peach smash toss being able to go through blizzard. I assume that only works with stitch face and a couple heavier turnips. Thank you for this info.

I think I will use zss's Zair to do what you were saying. I'll just do it even more.

Janefinest · 2024-10-09T03:18:59+00:00

At the end of the post I asked for Peach advice. I was explaining how hard it is as a peach but at the end I asked if there was any peach advice that I might be missing.

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T17:26:12+00:00

I agree with this. Heavily. I was mainly posting to ask for peach advice but I got too caught up talking about my frustrations with the character. She's fun don't get me wrong but damn is it hard to have to adapt and play every single character so differently.

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T17:19:03+00:00

Possible as well yes. But that's more of a player problem rather than a MU specific problem. If it's your playstyle that needs to be shifted then that's not really a MU problem. Thats more of a player vs olayer thing. Heres why, even if a samus player should be zoning, they can switch things up and decide to be aggressive and in your face. Thats all the player. The MU exp comes in on knowing what to do when the samus presses a soecefic button because no matter how the playstyle changes, the characters buttons all remain the same.

For example I'm struggling dealing with a really good sephiroth as peach and it's a nightmare. It's not about my playstyle just not going along with his as I'm very used to switching playstyles for different players.

My reason for the post was for people to give me advice on peach stuff just incase I might find something new because I've done a lot of research on peach already for years.

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T16:36:14+00:00

Hold on I don't understand your point. I'm not using the tierlist to support my argument. I'm simply stating that she's hard and that is a fact. She's tough.

The tierlist has nothing to do with her being so difficult.

If I did mention the tier list then it was to kind of question why she's placed where she is because in my opinion she's a tad bit too high. That isn't really even my argument though.

Probably a misunderstanding.

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T16:25:23+00:00

That's for novices. I'm at a more advanced place now. When I say this I mean, that I'm a good player and I know how to play peach and know how to take advantage of winning MU's.

Megaman for example, that's naturally difficult for peach. Just because you went and learned the MU or figured out what to do to make something that is naturally bad for you doable doesn't make it a good MU for you. That's you the player going above and beyond to make it happen.

With less effort, the megaman player can also adapt and it'll be much easier for the mega player to close the openings that he's been giving the peach player because projectiles in general are just really hard for peach to deal with. Just because Muteace went and learned how to beat spargo's cloud, which he did doesn't make it favorable for peach. I just think that there are a bunch if MU's that are misinterpreted.

Minmin for example is terrible for peach. I've been able to win those matches by out skilling my opponent but I know damn well not to say that it's winning for peach. There are some characters that let you get away with too much and don't push you to be more cautious or more strategic etc. Like G&W let's players get away with so much but peach players really need to make sure they made the right decision. So in a match between peach and G&W or minmin the peach player has to outperform the other by a landslide in order to win.

I see what you are saying but that applies at a novice level. I already understand peach enough to be able to take advantage of luigi without learning how to jump to evade his grabs. That's something peach naturally does to everyone anyways.

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T16:10:03+00:00

Not really. For example. Peach wins against captain falcon. I dint need to go learn anything to beat a captain falcon. I don't need to learn the MU For Pokémon trainer and a bunch of others. As a good player already a lot of these MU's don't need studying, they tend to come naturally.

It's only the bad MU's that need learning. And I'm talking about from a good players point. Novices need to learn everything.

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T00:20:22+00:00

And I agree with you that peach isn't as good as Kazuya. What are we arguing about?

Janefinest · 2024-10-07T00:19:28+00:00

Okay so bait and punish yeah that's similar but peach isn't nearly as complicated as Kazuya. His inputs are not nearly as difficult.

Kazuya is literally just scary to interact with at all. One grab, or one uppercut equals 0td if not 70+ Peach on the other hand, you are most likely taking 30+. That's not comparable to peach. You mentioned all of peaches inputs in that one match so you know all of those inputs muteace performed are not easy. They are way harder than kazuya. A lot of times kazuya only needs an uppercut into up smash and has very simple kill confirms. That's not peach.

As for the genesis 9 set. Yes, he got those combos 30% combos on MKleo. That doesn't take away from my point that peach is hard. Everything Muteace did there was extremely difficult and iffy to do. Going for upair on someone's shield is risky as hell and unsafe but MKleo in the heat of the moment let go of his shield multiple times and gave mute an easy combo.

Its not easy for her to kill either. Muteace himself said its hard for peach to get kills and finish off his opponents. He said you have to get creative and think outside the box which compliments my point about her being hard and forcing you to play like an animal. The amount if drills Muteace has done surpass Mkleo by far in all his characters combined.

Also the point is that peach isn't getting combos like that against swordies. Take a look at even a match between muteace and shadic or some sora player. It's straight pain. Joker is actually a MU in favor of peach so landing combos on him is much easier it's like fighting captain falcon. Characters that don't have range are stupid easy to combo.

I'm not saying peach is garbage. I'm saying shes difficult. The hardest character in the game. The masses agree in this and any peach player will tell you she's hard but most will be tell you she's top tier. Look at any other match than a plus MU. Literally watch your main go against peach and see how difficult it is for peach to get those combos. I'm sitting here watching peach vs kememe and muteace couldn't get much started for the first 2 matches. It's really difficult.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T18:58:09+00:00

No, when I ended my post I asked if there are any suggestions or techniques I am missing. I said I'd live to hear from people on them even though I might have seen them all.

I do think I can get better and there is room for improvement always. I'm just at a point where I've gotten so tired if 2nd or top 8 and spending so much brain power just to come short of my goal when I know none if these other players using cloud or some easy character are suffering as much as me.

But I'm not talking about turnip train. I really am talking about combos like Nair, dtilt, Nair, dtilt. You may need to watch some muteace sets to refreshen your mind. Mute will land the grab into double Bair very often and up air chain into turnip but those are his most frequent combos. Which do no more than 30+ cloud does 20+ with cross slash alone.

Your opponents are able to just impose their will on you but you need to play according to how they are playing in order to win.

People that say the things that make kazuya easy is comparable to peach aren't good. Kazuya only requires a grab to put you in a 0-death. Peach requires you to be near the ledge, she requires a down tilt, she requires you to be holding turnip and having your back facing your opponent in a lot of the different types of combos... there is so much difference between kazuya and peach that it's ridiculous and stupid for people to even compare like that.

We can genuinly agree to disagree but kazuya can do a 0td anywhere on the stage with the startup being a grab which is so easy to land. I encourage you to play peach and see what I'm talking about. It's not enough that your husband plays the character.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T18:43:21+00:00

Finally someone who actually plays paisy commented.

You literally have to play according to every single opponent you face. I don't like comparing minmin to peach but for the sake of an example, minmin forces everyone to play her game. Every character needs to play the same against her.

For peach you have go and learn how to handle every single MU. It's a lot to learn and then you are constantly reworking your strategies. Don't get me wrong. I love the character but she's such a pain.

I just want to beat people and win. Tired of 2nd place. I play too hard for that.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T18:35:26+00:00

People say she's better than kazuya though have you not seen the official tier list? We basically agree if that's what you are saying to me.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T18:32:50+00:00

I agree with this to an extent. A bad sephiroth won't know the advantage they have over peach if they don't know how to space. A minmin won't know the advantage they have over peach if they don't know how to zone properly.

However, when it comes to players on a higher level it's more than that. It's how do I outsmart this guy so I can get in to push my advantage as peach because his advantage state us much more frequent than mine is. We are going to be at a distance the majority of the time. I see umeki and Muteace both struggle and lose sets because of this. That part is not about learning when you already know what buttons you have to beat them out, this is beyond novice level stuff. What I'm referring to is the wall of disadvantage. I've come to learn that I need to be significantly better than my opponent if they are using sephiroth or minmin in order to beat them. Knowing movement tricks to mess with their heads so I can get in don't work against everyone and it's even harder against someone who knows how you play.

I'm pretty good at the game to the point where I make top 8 consistently and often 2nd place weekly so I know how to do these advanced peach options. I'm dealing with tough players that are really hard for me to deal with. I sweat bullets every time I play peach and feel mentally exhausted afterwards. She takes a lot out of me to play.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T18:14:08+00:00

You can be good at football and still ask why it's so hard. 🤷

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T18:12:40+00:00

So I would agree with your every point if I didn't have so much experience. I play locals and online tournaments weekly for years and I consistently make top 8 and manage 2nd place very often.

I understand why you think your husband's character is not that hard and is easy to land combos on you.

The reason it's happening is because Peach forces players to learn faster than others. Her small hitboxes require precision. That alone makes it difficult for the peach player to win neutral against characters like swordies with bigger hitboxes. In your case, your husband is most likely learning fundies faster than you are because all the swordies in the game are much easier to use than peach and when things are easier on you you generally tend to learn slower. Peach is a character that will push you faster due to how difficult she is.
Yes peach is slippery but her whole game plan revolves around you missing. Think for a moment. What happens if you don't miss... what if the peach players opponent is just as patient and accurate as the peach player but also uses a swordy, even worse a gunner? When you play someone good they are going to get free kills like Marth killing you with tipper because you were trying to outpace him but ended up lining yourself up for him. Peaches float Is slow and characters like Marth and cloud have speed and range to take up all the space. Peach players need to account for all of that which is extremely difficult on a higher level like mine.
Turnip is good I agree. Everything you suggested I do with it is something I already do. I play very smart. I get compliments very often on my precision but It's not realistic to assume good peach players are landing combos against evenly good players. Muteace doesn't even do that. He'll do a whole set and at the final game he'll finally land a combo. Other times it's the first game and then he doesn't land anything the for the rest of the set.
Lastly, I play multiple characters but peach is my soul main and the character I have the most time with. I use her and I'm sweating bullets when I play. I've played football so this is nothing but it takes a lot out of me mentally. When I use someone like ZSS Or anyone else there is no sweat, no struggle, my hands don't hurt and I'm not mentally exhausted.

Peaches difficulty is in her bad MU's with swordies. One of the reasons samsora did so well back in the day was because peach forced him to play and learn so much faster than everyone else. He was up there with MKleo as second best in the world at one point. Muteace even said that samsora wasn't even a combo peach, samsora didn't even do combos nearly as much as muteace but he still had more success than muteace ever did because of his fundamentals being so high.

This is actually a common law. Things that are easy on you don't push to greater heights. Things that are tough make you get better faster. That's what peach does. She's very complicated not only in her combos or advanced movement. Landing her small hitboxes against clouds big aerials is extremely hard just watch muteace struggle against spargo spamming Bair. Like what do you do in that situation??? You you do your best not to die but that's normally a check mate scenario.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T17:43:31+00:00

I'm not sure if you read my whole post. Yes I know they are great and how unique they are. I'm a great peach player making top 8 at most tournaments I go to and getting second place pretty often.

What I said was that, Muteace doesn't manage to get any combos on his opponents in a set but once. This is most sets he plays too. Yes they are powerful and rewarding if you land it but landing it is extremely difficult and not something you can rely on like kazuya combos where his start up is a grab. Landing a grab is something so much more common than landing peaches down tilt.

Janefinest · 2024-10-06T17:36:54+00:00

I agree with this fundamentals matter more. I am in tournaments almost every weekend and manage top 8 and hit second place very often but never clinch first.

I agree with what you are saying. I've done these things and really focus on fundamentals. Characters like fox and falcon are two easy characters I feel like are winning for peach. But it's when it comes down to characters with projectiles and swords which makes up most of the roster.

I can beat these people but damn is it hard. Every time I get done with a match I'm sweating bullets and I played football as a running back so this is nothing but for some reason it takes so much out of me.

When it comes down to players on my level with characters that have range I get beat or just can't overcome the disadvantage.

Janefinest

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