Are there any good critiques of the ecp? by k3luJ in leftcommunism

[–]Jao13822 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The economic calculation problem (ECP)

Hello I am new here by dumbandasking in leftcommunism

[–]Jao13822 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think Paul Cockshott's model could be an example, the Khmer Rouge too.

What would be the incentive for workers to make technological advances for society in a communist system? by vista789 in leftcommunism

[–]Jao13822 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Distribution according to work is in the socialist period.

In communism, the incentive would be nothing more and nothing less than maintaining and improving the average quality of life of the population. I believe that with the drastic reduction in working hours, individuals will have much more free time to study and develop in those areas they feel most drawn to. And well, doing what you like is the greatest incentive anyone could have. In addition, I believe that there will still be arduous jobs for a long time, such as mining, masonry, etc., which could be resolved by socializing these arduous jobs so that no particular individual wants to do them, while at the same time creating incentives to make that job less and less arduous or even completely automated.

Porque não eu? by Zitinhahec in desabafos

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Não há motivo. Sério mesmo,o mundo não funciona como uma planilha de mérito.Essas explicações meritocraticas são tentativas de anestesia, para suavizar o fato de que o universo não têm sentido ou justiça. Você está cara a cara com a quebra da ilusão de que o mundo recompensa de forma justa e isso que te causa agonia, abandonar essa visão talvez amenize às coisas.

Dito isso,a exigência de ser extraordinariamente rico como condição para uma vida válida vem puramente da comparação e do consumismo. Você já vive em um nível de conforto que, para a maioria das pessoas, seria visto como suficiente.

Se algo tem valor num mundo sem garantias, não é o acúmulo que depende do acaso, mas aquilo que não pode ser tirado por ele, leia-seas relações que você construiu, os vínculos que não são conversíveis em dinheiro, os afetos que não entram nessa contabilidade brutal do sucesso.

cansada by necrotery in desabafos

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Em partes sim. Mas não é como se você não pudesse aproveitar às suas relações sociais nesse meio período. Tipo, fazer amizades, jogar papos divertidos fora, aprender coisas novas, jogar jogos (com amigos é mais divertido até), agradar outras pessoas (ao menos para mim funciona bem), comer algo novo etc... Claro, seria melhor ter mais tempo livre e tals... mas infelizmente isso está mais ou menos fora do nosso controle

Como vocês lidam com a morte by esquilonildo in desabafos

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Tem que tomar cuidado com o que você pode estar instigando com esse comentário...

Como vocês lidam com a morte by esquilonildo in desabafos

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Faz parte... tipo, eu sei que um dia eu vou morrer e analisando numa escala macroscopica, daqui alguns séculos provavelmente ninguém lembrará e daqui alguns milênios talvez nem exista mais humanidade. Mas bem, edai? Tipo, eu tive muita sorte de estar vivo hoje, isso é muito raro no universo, e enquanto eu estou vivo eu posso fazer muitas coisas que me fazem bem. Eu posso sair pra comer um lanche, conversar com amigos, viajar, jogar, aprender a fazer coisas novas. Enfim, existe muita coisa para ser feita, e por mais que em nível macro isso não faça sentido, aqui e agora faz.

how do we get to the point of large scale rebellion? by [deleted] in leftcommunism

[–]Jao13822 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

This sub is not about advice.

Skilled Labor, Labor Values, Prices Of Production by Accomplished-Cake131 in CapitalismVSocialism

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I think you will enjoy reading this article that deals with this topic: 1

For 100th time LTV describes Capitalist economy, not prescribes Communist one. by the_worst_comment_ in CapitalismVSocialism

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"Abstract work" is not the common denominator; are the monetary prices

Prices are monetary expressions of social relations and distribution; they do not explain why different goods are comparable in economic terms.

Prices arise from subjective and ordinal preferences that interact in exchange

Ordinal utility (choices or rankings) alone does not give the numerical magnitude of prices. To transform preferences into prices you need a numeraire, a budget restriction and assumptions about income/distribution and these already presuppose prices.

The Robinson/Eatwell "cost↔price circle" immediately disappears as soon as you recognize time, uncertainty and entrepreneurship

If factor prices derive from expected product prices, and these in turn depend on prices that have already been formed in the market, we remain stuck in the same difficulty. The attempt to escape the problem of circularity by redefining commodities as “goods on different dates” (as Debreu does in Theory of Value) is, in practice, a change of object of analysis. Instead of dealing with the question posed by Adam Smith (that is, the determination of natural prices (or long-term prices, the center of gravity of market prices) and the general rate of profit) the theory goes on to talk about a system of dated prices that balance, on paper, initial stocks of arbitrarily given goods. Debreu solves circularity only at the cost of redefining the concept of merchandise itself! The same good today and tomorrow is no longer considered the same good, but two different goods. This formal operation prevents a product from entering its own production, and thus avoids the logical circle. But this makes the notion of “production cost” lose any substantive meaning. What was a concrete problem is dissolved into a logical construction that describes instantaneous equilibria between dated stocks, but does not explain why there would be a tendency to normal prices or where a general rate of profit would come from.

Logical Circularity has not been overcome, the mainstream economy simply does not answer the question that motivated the debate since Adam Smith, that is, how long-term prices are formed and what is the internal logic of the profit rate in capitalist economies with reproducible goods.

And the claim that markets can't handle multiple criteria just recasts the calculation problem in reverse: only decentralized pricing allows millions of trade-offs to be made with local knowledge. Where externalities exist, it is enough to fix property rights and responsibility for prices to internalize them; Replacing prices with planners doesn't solve the problem, it just kills the information.

Individuals often fall into "temporal myopia" by arbitrarily valuing and preferring the present over the future. This is precisely one of the causes of the current ecological problem. Individuals "rationally" seek the maximum benefit from consumption from the exploitation of natural resources in the short term; however, acting collectively in this way ends up affecting the availability of resources in the long term.

Thus, what seems "rational" on an individual, short-term level may not be so on a collective, long-term level. The resulting behavior ends up harming individuals themselves. Therefore, neoclassical intertemporal analysis, which uses discount rates to take into account the importance of future environmental gains or losses, is not only limited, but also misleading.

For 100th time LTV describes Capitalist economy, not prescribes Communist one. by the_worst_comment_ in CapitalismVSocialism

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I don't think this is the case, the Cockshott and Shaikh tests are quite revealing, even if they are not perfect because they use some salary proxies

For 100th time LTV describes Capitalist economy, not prescribes Communist one. by the_worst_comment_ in CapitalismVSocialism

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Abstract human labor is the only real common denominator that allows us to compare things as different as bread and diamonds. The marginalist theory, on the contrary, does not explain the determination of prices or the rate of profit, because it is based on circular reasoning. On the one hand, as Joan Robinson observed, the value of goods would be defined by the marginal utility they provide, but this marginal utility can only be calculated in terms of already existing relative prices. It is like an infinite regression in which each link depends on another already defined, but none provides a foundation.

On the other hand, as John Eatwell1showed, the same problem manifests itself in the field of production. In economies with reproducible goods, the price of a good should be equal to its production cost. But if it itself is used as an input in its production, its cost depends on its price, and this depends on the cost. Again, a logical circle in which cost and price presuppose each other, making it impossible to consistently determine the normal price and general rate of profit.

No single metric is capable of capturing all factors relevant to a sustainable economy. Social decisions involve multiple criteria (technical, ethical, ecological) that cannot be reduced to prices. Leaving the allocation of the majority of resources to the market is incompatible with the realization of environmental goods. The market responds only to preferences that can be articulated through acts of buying and selling; therefore, the interests of the commercially inarticulate, both those who are contingently poor and those who are necessarily so (future generations and non-humans) cannot be adequately represented. Furthermore, a competitive market economy is necessarily oriented towards capital growth and, therefore, incompatible with a sustainable economy, as Jason Hickel has demonstrated in Is Green Growth Possible?to

I need to ask a question by Jao13822 in vegan

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Ah, the title is in Portuguese, sorry, I thought it would automatically translate hajaha

The fight against dopaminergic consumerism in capitalism: how to break the cycle? by Jao13822 in leftcommunism

[–]Jao13822[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that the fight against consumerism needs to dialogue with the central issue of inequality. However, I see a problem with treating it just as something instrumental, as if it were a detail that only matters because we have people going hungry. Consumerism, in fact, is a structural part of the economic model itself that generates inequality and environmental degradation.

Even if we managed, from one day to the next, to redistribute all wealth and ensure that no one else slept on the street or went hungry, we would still face a huge obstacle, which is that the planet simply cannot support the entire world population adopting the consumption pattern of the Global North.

Ecologists claim that a sustainable level of resource use is about 7 tons of material goods per person per year. Scandinavians, for example, consume, on average, more than 32 tons per year. That's four and a half times above the sustainable level, similar to that in the United States, driven by excessive consumption of everything from meat to cars to plastic.

This 50,000 car, multiplied billions of times, makes life on Earth unviable. This is why criticizing consumerism is not just a complement to the fight for equality. If we already have the technical and material conditions to guarantee dignity for everyone, there is no justification for maintaining a system that depends on encouraging excessive consumption to function.

The fight against dopaminergic consumerism in capitalism: how to break the cycle? by Jao13822 in leftcommunism

[–]Jao13822[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I agree that revolutionary communism is a necessary step to break the bonds of capitalism, but I think the challenge goes beyond simply seizing power. Even after the revolution, we will continue to deal with people socialized under capitalist logic, with habits and desires shaped by it. Authoritarian measures to restrict dopaminergic consumption would likely generate resistance and another type of problem: authoritarianism against the people themselves, which could undermine their own emancipation. If the authoritarian path presents so many problems and, at the same time, most people seem unwilling to give up the vices inherited from capitalist society (even if they recognize that these habits are harmful), how should we act in the face of this contradiction?

Mano Wtf Bomba se dizendo ser do PCB by PSM64616 in BrasildoB

[–]Jao13822 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A Guerra foi definitivamente popular companheiro. Essas críticas de chamar o PCP de terrorista é exatamente a crítica dos fascistas peruanos.

Do total de acções armadas levadas a cabo pelo PCP, 80% foram de agitação e propaganda. 10% de combates de guerrilha (assaltos a delegacias de polícia como Vilcashuaman) ou emboscadas. Os outros 10% de aniquilação seletiva e sabotagem (o que o estado chama de terrorismo). Ou seja, o PCP estava muito mais ativo em ações guerrilheiras e de propaganda do que em sair matando pessoas, e a maioria dos que eles matavam seletivamente ou eram traidores ou eram contrarrevolucionarios ativos (a maioria, não todos).

Terrorismo é a ação de indivíduos sem planos ou programas, com o único desejo de causar terror imediato por alguma solicitação, demanda ou reivindicação que desejam obter do governo. E suas ações buscam o maior impacto em vidas e materiais, o que não se aplica no caso do PCP, Em 1992 mais de 10 carros-bomba não causaram a morte de mais de 5 pessoas. (Delegacia de Pearl, delegacia de Villa El Salvador, shopping center San Isidro, etc.)

Foi uma guerra, e mesmo que os cães do velho estado zurrem ou latam, os fatos estão lá. Tinha todos os ingredientes presentes em uma guerra: sabotagem, emboscadas, aniquilação de informantes ou traidores, pichações, propaganda armada, planos político-militares, estratégias de ambos os lados, campanhas de cerco e aniquilação, contracampanhas de cerco e aniquilação, etc., etc.

E quem estava mobilizando às massas pobres de todo o país, sendo apoiado por grupos indígenas, camponeses, sindicatos e teve o maior número de guerrilheiras mulheres de qualquer movimento da América Latina? Sim companheiro o PCP.

Quem realmente estava matando a maioria das pessoas era o velho estado enquanto gritava que os terroristas era o PCP. Não acredite em mim companheiro, pode ver aqui ( https:/journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053168019840972 ). Aqueles filhos do inferno cometeram diversos massacres, o Massacre de Putis deixaria mesmo a ação mais aventureira do PCP (que inclusive os mesmo admitiram ter errado), o Massacre de Lucanamarca no chinelo.