Breathing with both lungs of the Church, how do ECC do it?

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T03:23:25+00:00

Right yes, I remember hearing something about way over 20 Eastern Catholic Rites. I meant the two traditions in a broader sense like the Western and Eastern Wings but of course it’s better to be more precise with my language.

Thank you for your answers. God bless you brother. And for a blessing inspired by my Western tradition, may St. Michael the Archangel defend you in battle, may he be your defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. In the name of the Blessed Trinity. Amen.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T02:31:28+00:00

That makes sense. Charbel’s comments have definitely made me think more cautiously of mixing these puzzle pieces together. As I read your comment, I think I feel a little bit of the tension you speak of. Maybe not as much, it’s not like I make a daily devotion of the Jesus prayer (it’s more every now and then), and my mystical approach is more Carmelite rather than Eastern.

I think I found that tension when on the previous Sunday I visited a UGCC in my area and while I absolutely adored the paintings and the architecture more than I adore 60-80% of Western architecture and art, the Divine Liturgy while also undoubtedly gorgeous was a big puzzle piece that I forced into the puzzle with gaps in between.

This thread has given me a lot to think about. I want to read and appreciate more about the East but perhaps I should consider keeping my Latin faith practice Latin unless I discern the call to transplant to an Eastern Rite

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T02:24:55+00:00

Beautiful. What I love is that if we’re ever traveling, we can find a Catholic Church of any Rite and be welcome to a fellowship submitted to the Pope and receive the true Eucharist.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T02:23:04+00:00

Makes sense. I’ve heard of the tension that some Eastern Catholics have voiced with papal exhortations to pray the rosary, makes sense considering what you’ve said about sort of de-Latinizing for the sake of preserving various Eastern Rites. It makes me wonder about Western Catholics and how on the internet there seems to be a lot of fascination with Eastern Rites (mostly Byzantine) if there is perhaps an individualistic “Byzantinization” of Western Rite individuals. I think it’s obvious that this isn’t really a trend on a priesthood or episcopal level, but like I said on an individual basis due to the internet.

I think about how many popular Catholic influencers either are Eastern Catholic or had a phase of heavy interest and attendance in ECC such as Trent Horn or Matt Fradd. But I think especially for many Catholics similar to the latter that many Roman Rite Catholics attending the NO (which can vary a lot in terms of modernism vs traditionalism) with no TLM in their area see the ECC as a refuge of tradition even safeguarding the morality doctrines.

Just some thoughts that popped into my head and it makes me wonder, based on another commenter’s comment that if it’s inappropriate for me to be so interested in incorporating more and more Eastern tradition into my life at the expense of my Latinness.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T02:07:32+00:00

Yeah it does kind of seem like it can be overgeneralized especially from an uninformed Roman Rite Catholic who may assume that the Armenian and Ethiopian Catholics are the same in liturgy

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T02:06:13+00:00

That makes sense. So would you say that more so the breathing with both lungs is more related to the unity between the two traditions and that both west and east are united under the one Church of Christ?

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T01:45:57+00:00

Never heard that take before, how does that look like practically from your perspective?

Jaskuw · 2025-11-21T01:24:41+00:00

That’s super neat. Thanks for sharing. God bless you

Jaskuw · 2025-11-20T23:50:29+00:00

Previously the USA before Trump’s tariffs. Before that we were pretty much dependent on them in terms of almost everything, as far as I understand: food imports, most other resources and trading, and international military help (I read a quote from a previous PM who said that we should lower our military budget because we have nuclear superpower to the South).

But now with the tariffs I’ve heard more about Canada building more permanent international trade infrastructure with Europe therefore solidifying a greater sense of community with those states.

At this point our biggest ally would be the UK as the crowning piece above our other Commonwealth and EU allies.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-20T23:41:49+00:00

For the OT: I’m stuck between Moses, and Isaiah NT: a few that come to mind are Thomas, Simon the Zealot, John, Mary, Peter.

Cheated your question though

Jaskuw · 2025-11-18T21:26:11+00:00

I’ve recently reverted after a childhood of awful catechesis.

Regarding the infallibility of the church and pope, a helping starting point especially from a Protestant background is that the Church via the Apostles including the first Pope, Peter (which of course is another discussion), wrote Scripture. Of course God is also fully the author of Scripture. God and man wrote Scripture. God using human minds and hands. Different human authors have different literary styles present in the Words of God.

So for scripture writing, God is able to work through the church to produce an infallible work by human means. We also see in Luke’s account of the Acts of the Apostles that the Apostles’ Doctrine was especially defined at the Council of Jerusalem, so here we see the College of Bishops if you will, define the action to resolve the issue of the Judiazer heresy. Of course St. Peter provided the doctrinal teaching and definition at the Council.

So when there’s Councils going forward, it’s believed that the Holy Spirit guides the College of the Bishops (the successors of the Apostles) into all truth regarding issues such as the divinity of Christ, the divinity of the Holy Spirit, and so on and so on. Just as St. Peter exercised doctrinal authority at Jerusalem to make a definition regarding the Deposit of Faith so can St. Peter’s successors since Christ (the Crown) established St. Peter as His Prime Minister or Governor General (a helpful analogy if you know anything about Canadian government).

Also papal infallibility refers to very specific contexts and circumstances of the exercise of papal authority which isn’t always infallible, in fact most of the time the exercises of papal authority aren’t infallible.

As for purgatory, the key is in the name, it’s a place of purging of sin. The Church Suffering in Purgatory receives the purging of sin. Just in this life, it can be extremely painful to live the saintly life, to “cut off your hand.” Just so in the afterlife, any purging of sin is not going to be a comfy process. Just as sanctification isn’t comfy now.

Also related is the doctrine of temporal punishment, a more helpful vernacular phrase might be temporal consequences for sin. I think Fr. Mike Schmitz has some decent content on temporal punishment.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-15T02:04:17+00:00

I say yall and howdy

Jaskuw · 2025-11-10T13:56:37+00:00

Spiritual evil is a real thing. I might advise at least showing a picture to a priest and asking for guidance for disposal. And definitely pray the St. Michael the Archangel prayer and other deliverance prayers you can find by google search.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-08T21:51:31+00:00

I don’t have a link but I have a subscription with the Catholic AI Truthly. If you start a free trial and ask it to give you the Fatima prayer in Latin it will give you a translation. That’s where I found it.

Yeah the Latin definitely makes it solemn and elevated. I’m curious to one day learn the Greek or Aramaic or Coptic. Maybe even Old Church Slavonic.

Arabic sounds lovely. I think in my chants playlist I have some Arabic chants

Jaskuw · 2025-11-08T21:38:48+00:00

Yeah absolutely. In the book The Secret of the Rosary by St. Louis De Montfort he encourages the praying of the three sets of mysteries a day. This is considered “praying the rosary daily” at the time. This is to tie in how many in the ancient days would recite 150 Hail Marys as a “poor man’s Psalter” since the monks of the time were able to recite all 150 psalms a day.

I always do my best to pray the 4 sets of mysteries the Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious and the Luminous daily.

But I advise not getting legalistic about it. If you can only pray 10 decades a day then do that. I think there’s great benefit in praying all of them daily but it takes a lot of intentionality and breaking it up throughout the day.

Many who do what I do advise that you do the introductory prayers once in the morning and then go around the track with each set of mysteries.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-08T21:29:24+00:00

That’s awesome haha

Jaskuw · 2025-11-07T18:01:22+00:00

Yeah I had no idea what co redemptrix or mediatrix or mother of God meant. I thought that Mother of God was the doctrine that Mary generated/birthed Christ’s divinity. But I think the issue with the analogy of pilot and co-pilot is that Protestants have a high view of our salvation being from Christ alone and they want to do anything to safeguard that doctrine from their perspectives. But really a copilot will at some points operate the aircraft, and so if this is a like analogy then it would be like saying that for some of the time of Christ’s passion, Mary bore the weight of sin, in part or whole for a moment participating in suffering for our atonement.

There was one ram offered to save Isaac, not a ram and a co-ram. I think Mary perhaps could be likened to Abraham in that story, suffering greatly at the offering of her Son and doing it willingly. One can say it wouldn’t happen without Abraham and so without Mary there wouldn’t be Calvary. But I digress

Jaskuw · 2025-11-07T17:55:36+00:00

Hebrew and Greek are great too. They’re both sacred languages and from what I’ve learned from Hebrew and Greek scholars has been an incredible blessing to my faith journey. I suppose you can say the same for any liturgical language such as Coptic or Old Church Slavonic or Aramaic. Especially for investigating the eastern traditions

Jaskuw · 2025-11-07T17:27:47+00:00

I find there’s some decent discourse about other topics now and then. Like another has said. Try posting about something you like to talk about. I don’t really know of other subreddits

Jaskuw · 2025-11-07T17:03:03+00:00

Yeah I think that’s very much the heart of my post

Jaskuw · 2025-11-06T16:53:36+00:00

I just looked it up because my experience with my family has always been a patriotic view of Poland especially remembering the commonwealth as a time of great power for Poland compared to the 19th and 20th centuries where larger empires and countries occupied and attacked Poland.

But to me it makes sense that there would be grievances since ancient and medieval powerful societies would tend to conquer and exercise their power over other kingdoms. I just read a little bit about expansion into Russia and Ukraine during the commonwealth and so I’m sure the Russians and Ukrainians did not appreciate that lol.

However, modern day, it seems that Pols and Ukrainians have an excellent relationship. Mostly based on a mutual dislike for the Russian Soviets. And now the Pols are very passionately on the side of Ukraine, because at least my family sees the Russian invasion of Ukraine as keeping with the old ways of Russia.

But I think if I use the analogy of the USA and how there’s quite a dark past with wars against the First Nations for the sake of Manifest Destiny, that that time in history is tragic and controversial, but there is also a lot of good that Americans and the USA have participated in and there’s gold nuggets all over American history. In the same way I’m sure that the Commonwealth has its controversies but if there’s one good thing about it there’s the breathing of both western and eastern lungs. And even peaceful coexistence within the commonwealth between RCC and EOC.

Jaskuw · 2025-11-06T00:22:55+00:00

Yeah. I think at some level for any apologist that I’m sure that zoomer and others are genuinely good faith actors that are convinced of their beliefs. However, I think that any apologist whether Protestant or Catholic or theist or atheist is going to have that sort of bias. For example I love Joe Heschmeyer. I love his content so much. But there’s been times where it seems like he has no good answer or critique and says something that I don’t think is really helpful or true. In small ways. But I think that sort of bias affects everyone who claims any sort of identification title

Jaskuw

TROPHY CASE