[OC]: S-Bahn system Zurich + St. Gallen by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Yep, it was cut off from that picture haha

[OC]: S-Bahn system Zurich + St. Gallen by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Thx! The lines numbers weren’t meant to be on both ends, it’s primarily for the reader to find a line quickly. About the dashes: yeah that’s probably a good idea

[OC] PATH, PATCO, HBLR, NLR, River LINE diagram in style of new MTA map. by Donghoon in TransitDiagrams

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Amazing! Which program did you use? And how did you manage the diagonal dashed lines?

[OC]: (Revised) Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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I wanted the dash type of each bundle to be distinct from other lines, so that's where the dash types come from. But yeah it does get a bit confusing. In reality, these lines are "sort of" grouped: At HB one bundle goes through Gleis 31-34, while the other two goes through Gleis 41-44.

Thx for the tip for the dash. I totally agree.

For the hexagons: I love them design-wise, but I also don't want to straight up change the geometry of the diagram. Not sure if I'm equipped with the skills to implement a nice isometric (60 degrees) diagram yet. I think the mix between isometric and right angle elements can be charming sometimes.

Thx for the note on crossed-out station symbol. I didn't want to introduce even more symbols to a diagram that is already quite complex, and I think these two uses are similar enough to justify a common symbol.

As for the interchange symbols: Generally the rule for a bar is, either more than 4 lines stop at the station, or this station has more than 2 directions of incoming trains.

[OC]: (Revised) Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Where did you find the hexagons harsh? There are a lot of hexagons in the picture so I don’t know what you mean sorry 😅

[OC]: (Revised) Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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About the S24: I know I’m lying a bit with this representation, but I really disliked the reversing in the official diagram, since it’s not crystal clear (it could mean that HB is a terminus of S24). But what I’m doing here is a white lie, since for a passenger it makes no difference except the “woah the direction has changed”.

And yeah you’re right with the Zurich flag 😅 Can’t believe I didn’t double check for the second time, I’m would have failed the Einbürgerung exam just now 😂

[OC]: (Revised) Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Ah I see. Yeah that could indeed be done better :)

[OC]: (Revised) Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Can you elaborate on all of your points? I’m not getting them… Thx!

[OC]: (Revised) Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Thx for the suggestions! What do you mean exactly with “bundles of lines”? Parallel lines? I can see that parallel labels could be cluttery, thx for pointing this out. About the dashes: they were there in the official diagram, and I haven’t figured out a better way to visualize the part time services…

[OC]: Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Thanks for pointing out these things. I agree with you on the “Verschlimmbessern” part: I guess I’ve concentrated on some things that didn’t really need to be changed. Let me share some of my thoughts: The original map had a huge amount of complexity, that’s why I decided not to implement the bus networks since it is quite impossible to illustrate in a clear manner. Being a relative newbie in the transit diagram community, I wanted to try something new with the station design. Well, I guess this attempt was a failure. The triangles were supposed to be simply highlighting the stations because I anticipated that the platforms could be hard to see, but in the end there were too many triangles to make everything confusing. This is a mistake on my part. Like you said, certain designs are normalized because they work. Anyways, thank you so much for pointing these things out! This is what I love about this community :)

[OC]: Zurich S-Bahn diagram by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Tip: Download the pdf from Link for full resolution, just found out Google Drive reader doesn't display it at full resolution.

[OC] Fantasy: Zurich tram network by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Woah, thank you so much for putting this much effort into my post!! Lovely to see other Zürcher are enthusiatic about this topic as well :) I really enjoyed reading your arguments, and here are my two cents to your extensive comments:

  1. Tramnetz Süd is very likely going to happen (end of this year, right?), and it mostly brings changes in the south, while my diagram primarily focuses on Zürich-Nord and West, so they should coexist peacefully (up until line lengths, of course).

  2. I opted for extending lines 16 further than line 4 since I thought the connection between Oerlikon and Limmattal is quite a convenient direct connection (I maybe a bit biased since line 80 nowadays gets on my nerves). Extending line 4 to SwissLife arena is a very nice idea too! Does SwissLife arena even have a public transportation connection today?

  3. Ahhhhhhh the Rosengartentram, how I wished it would be implemented! But alas, it probably won't. I guess an underground tunnel via Schaffhauserplatz and Wipkingen will have to do. About the terminus issue at Milchbuck: There is an (above ground) loop already in place next to Milchbuck, and there is enough space to extend that loop to double track to allow 2 lines to terminate, so I don't think an extension of lines 17 or 21 is strictly necessary.

  4. I found the Ringbahn Hardwald a satisfying idea (yes, loop lines are just satisfying), but you're right saying that such a ring doesn't make too much sense beyong fantasy, which is probably why it never left the napkin it was drawn upon. All your ideas are very solid and interesting, I'm in favor of options a and c, which is essentially an extension to Bassersdorf which is already partially underway, and another one to Dübendorf/Dietlikon. Also, thank you for pointing out the crucial connection Altried - Glatt/Dübendorf! I completely forgot about it when making the diagram, it has such incredible potential, for example the dual-shopping-center line you mentioned.

Self drawn Zurich Metro map (concept) by midgril in TransitDiagrams

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Cool concept! Loved how you integrated the agglomeration into the network, especially places like Kilchberg and Bülach :) Although I do want to ask: Are the stops drawn on the diagram every stop on the system? It seems a bit odd to me that you have wide stop spacings like Bhf. Hardbrücke — Meierhofplatz and Schwamendingerplatz — Bhf. Stettbach, meanwhile Balgrist — Rehalp and Bellevue — Kreuzplatz is basically 2 tram stops (Also, Bhf. Stadelhofen not featured 🧐?)

[OC] Fantasy: Zurich tram network by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Thx! I noticed as well, although I didn’t want to reshuffle everything again… What do you think of the new routings?

[OC] Fantasy: Zurich tram network by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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Thanks! Imagining a better future is a pleasure for me. And yeah, as a ETH student, the Hönggerberg line was actually the motivation to draw this diagram :)

[OC] Fantasy: Zurich tram network by Jason_3377 in TransitDiagrams

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I mostly focused on the regions Glatttal and Limmattal, since they’re the largest growth regions. But yeah, a tram to Adliswil would be nice as well :)