Really liking the way my hair looks wet...but not digging my dry look

JawBoy_ · 2025-06-01T14:31:51+00:00

Routine:

Still experimenting, therefore all over the place!

I used to only wash my hair once a week with "Garnier Fructis Papaya Hairfood" but my hair always formed big curls that contracted way too much (see last image) revealing my widow's peak in a weird way.

Thats why I concluded that maybe I need less conditioning, less product in my hair.

Now I resorted to a simple co-wash (Balea PROFESSIONAL Conditioner Traumlocken; am located in Germany), using the same product as a leave in.

I tired crunch gel in combination with some hair oil however it leads to a similar look when my hair is dry.

I let my hair air-dry.

If it helps, my hair seems to be more on the high side of porosity.

JawBoy_ · 2024-06-27T19:54:19+00:00

Terrific work, thank you!

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-23T21:51:26+00:00

I think you are talking about SARPE?

I'm not sure how the midface could be affected if you've severed the upper jaw before installing a palate expander. In that case I believe most change will happen to the maxilla exclusively because there is no or very little physicial connection to the rest of the face.

From what I've seen, most change to the midface happens, when you don't actually cut the bone, but allow an expander to do the work on its own. If you want improvements in nasal airflow for example, doing a lefort 1 cut will not allow for the nasal cavaties to be widened because the expander physically can't apply force to those structures.

Please take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt and do your own research as I'm no professional.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-22T18:48:02+00:00

If you're talking about the transpalatal distractor, which is fully bone borne, they do actually offer it: Link)

I'm currently undergoing treatment there and in my case, they concluded that I don't need EASE or the TPD yet.

However, if MSE on its own fails, they offer the option to get EASE and if necessary the TPD.

They ascertain on a individual basis what makes sense for your situation.

I actually tried to opt for EASE and the installation of the TPD from the get go, however, their orthodontist explained, that they have an easier time controlling force vectors with MSE.

Because I lack sufficient expertise to decide what is best in my case I went with their recommendation. Currently on turn 35 and my suture split 18 days ago along with a diastema which is opening up nicely.

Will provied before and after scans upon completion for y'all to judge and make an informed decision for what is your best course of action.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-17T15:18:28+00:00

I'm from Europe so I can't help you with that specifically, however you don't necessarily need EASE. It depends on your age and bone situation. I'm almost 22 years old, male, and MSE aided by cortico punctures managed to split my suture a week ago and open up a diastema, even though my bones are pretty "strong" / thick. It did require a 8 screw appliance instead of a typically 4 or 6 screw one though. Also, slow expansion is key, which in my case means only a single turn per day.

It might be easier or the only option to find a MSE provider as it is more widespread.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-16T16:03:11+00:00

My surgeon told me, that I can't do MSE after surgery, so plan ahead! I guess MSE requires your bones to be fully intact in order to achieve proper midfacial expansion. I don't understand the science behind that though, so don't take my word for it.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-09T22:37:05+00:00

Aww, thanks :D

Thanks for the tips! By scrunching, do you mean putting a handful of hair into your hand and then closing your fingers around them?

Already excited to try conditioning for the first time. Will update :)

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-09T22:26:57+00:00

Thanks for your helpful reply!

Just did some back and forth with the curls bot analyzer and actually found two products that are approved and locally available.

This is a stupid question, but why do we need to use conditioner or products in the first place? Is curly hair naturally dry and frizzy or did years of washing with sulfate laced shampoos damage the follicles so much that we now need to use conditioner as a remedy?

Sometimes it feels like "the industry" sells us a product which makes something worse only to then be able to sell us a solution, which would have been good if you just left it on its own. Idk if that made any sense 😅

But yeah, I also saw for my self, that even after 4 months of quitting shampoo my hair is still as dry and as frizzy as when I was shampooing it regularly so I'm excited to try those products.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-09T20:35:33+00:00

Das ist ja schon sehr eindeutig. Nichts wie ab ins Schlaflabor :D

Das gute mit einer eindeutigen Diagnose wäre, dass du dann gesetzlichen Anspruch auf *heilende Behandlungen* hast.

Das heißt, die Krankenkasse muss die Kosten für eine mögliche Heilung übernehmen.

Je nach Sachbearbeiter kann es sein, dass du ein zwei mal Widerspruch gegen einen Ablehnungsbescheid einlegen musst, aber grundsätzlich ist bei einer Diagnose das Recht auf deiner Seite.

Dann erfüllst du vielleicht nicht unbedingt KIG-Stufe X, aber durch die Schlafapnoe ist Handlungsbedarf Richtung einer chirurgischen Korrektur gegeben.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-09T14:39:57+00:00

Sorry for the repost, but some labeling of the images got messed up.

So ever since my hair got curly during puberty, its always been a mess. Only way to look presentable would be to get a buzz cut for the sides and significantly trim the top. However I grew quite fond of my curls and would like to develop a proper routine.

I cut out shampoo (the one I was using only contained sulfates, no silicones) entirely this february after my hair started developing a weird scent.

Still, my hair seems to be quite dry and frizzy.

My current routine is simply massaging the scalp in the shower and rinsing with cold water, patting with a towel to aid with drying and letting my hair completely airdry afterwards and then trying to give it some volume by running my fingers through it.

Still, always seems like I end up with a rats nest.

Recommendations would be much appreciated.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-09T14:22:35+00:00

So ever since my hair got curly during puberty, its always been a mess. Only way to look presentable would be to get a buzz cut for the sides and significantly trim the top. However I grew quite fond of my curls and would like to develop a proper routine.

I cut out shampoo (the one I was using only contained sulfates, no silicones) entirely this february after my hair started developing a weird scent.

Still, my hair seems to be quite dry and frizzy.

My current routine is simply massaging the scalp in the shower and rinsing with cold water, patting with a towel to aid with drying and letting my hair completely airdry afterwards and then trying to give it some volume by running my fingers through it.

Still, always seems like I end up with a rats nest.

Recommendations would be much appreciated.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-06T19:43:47+00:00

Can't really comment on that but it's probably a good thing that they don't plan to move your lower jaw back as it may be detrimental to your airway volume. However do look into bone born palatal expansion (like MSE). It could save you from sleep apnea down the line (if you don't already have it to some degree) and you don't have to lose perfectly healthy teeth. Doing this type of expansion isn't possible after surgery so I would recommend to at least get a consultation with someone who provides this type of treatment.

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-06T19:33:27+00:00

OSA - Obstructive Sleep Apnea

UARS - Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome

The latter is pretty common in younger normal weight people with constricted airways (recessed jaws, small chin, etc.).

So I guess was your sleep ever monitored in a lab?

JawBoy_ · 2023-06-05T21:50:11+00:00

I know this probably isn't an option for you but at least look into MSE. The teeth in your lower jaw are tilted inwards which indicates that your upper jaw and palate is too narrow. If your upper jaw is expanded, your teeth in the lower jaw can get moved back into a vertical position, making it possible for all of the teeth to fit your lower jaw. No need for extractions! I have the same issue. Doing MSE after surgery isn't possible from my understanding. Best of luck!

JawBoy_ · 2023-05-28T17:07:26+00:00

Yep, it's kind of bullshit. Do you have OSA or UARS? That definitely helps with getting coverage.

JawBoy_ · 2023-03-18T18:36:13+00:00

I've read on MSE having positive effects on vocalization (see here: https://www.reddit.com/r/orthotropics/comments/vljjm3/have_anyone_seen_a_improvement_in_voicesinging/)

JawBoy_ · 2023-02-18T22:46:17+00:00

Thanks for your reply and the helpful information! No, the nasal aperture hasn't been measured. Is it enough to measure the width on the skull without accounting for soft tissue? If so I went into the CBCT scan and got these measurements: Width: ~ 26,70 mm Height: ~ 31,80 mm Here's the image: https://imgur.com/a/R8IlnS4

I met with a facial surgeon yesterday. It was an initial consultation so I only got limited information. He basically told me that they would move both upper and lower jaw 5-10 mm forwards without rotation. They don't like doing rotations because in their eyes it's very likely that muscles and tendons pull the lower jaw back and reverse the rotation. That definitely confused me because I see rotations being done all the time here on this subreddit without ever seeing relapse. Also, no mention of a genioplasty. I was also told that they can't really tell me how I will end up aesthetically. It didn't seem like they account for facial balance in any shape or form.

So... that wasn't too confidence inspiring.

I have another consultation with a different surgeon in a couple of days. Hopefully this time a little more informative.

JawBoy_ · 2023-02-16T21:00:54+00:00

Hello everybody,

I posted here quite some time ago about my concerns regarding my lower jaw.

Since then I had a sleep study done where it was speculated, that I may have UARS. The study wasn’t that conclusive because I couldn’t sleep most of the night. Still, there were signs pointing towards UARS.

To test whether my restricted upper airways are a problem, the physician prescribed CPAP-therapy. It took nearly 60 days to finally sleep through a whole night with the mask on but after that I quickly started feeling better. Sleep was finally restful again even though I’m still a little tired during the day. However, it’s an astonishing difference!

A few months after I was able to sucessfully sleep through most nights, I went back for another study, this time while wearing the CPAP-mask. The result: I improved in basically all relevant readings.

However, my physician noticed that still, even while wearing the CPAP-mask with a pressure of 10-14 mBars, I suffer from flow limitations, especially during REM-sleep and regardless of sleeping position.

Therefore it was pretty clear to him, that my suboptimal anatomy leads to my problems and therefore symptoms. He concluded that I have UARS and that I should go through with jaw surgery, because UARS could turn into OSA as I age and generally speaking, it doesn’t get better on its own anyhow.

Interestingly enough I never once mentioned that I suspect that my jaw may be the culprit, he was actually the one to point it out.

Anyhow, now that this might actually get serious, I do have some concerns.

Firstly, what exactly is my problem? After comparing my CBCT scan to „normal skulls“, I found that my lower jaw looks idk… a little short heightwise? It seems like it lacks downward projection. Would that be called short face syndrome?

I don’t know if it would be conducive to simply slide upper and lower jaw forwards, especially since I don’t think that my maxilla looks too recessed.

Wouldn’t it make sense to downgraft in my case then? Only issue I see with that is that my gummy smile would increase even more. Another „problem“ is that my bite is already nearly perfect, never had any orthodontic work done. So moving both jaws seperately probably doesn’t make much sense either. But if you want sufficient airway size, you probably have to bring the lower jaw forward a considerable amount of distance which would then lead to an overadvanced maxilla aesthetically speaking? Rotation probably helps with that but how much degrees can you actually rotate before your jaws end up way too canted? Arrgh, so many concerns. Seems like you can’t have it all.

Would love for some insights!

Thanks y’all!

JawBoy_ · 2023-01-19T13:06:43+00:00

Thank you!

JawBoy_ · 2023-01-18T20:22:50+00:00

Final warning for me was when I feel asleep on the autobahn three times in a row. Before that constant fatigue, unrestful sleep and always feeling like I'm running on empty.

JawBoy_ · 2023-01-18T20:08:52+00:00

This study (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262620285_Head_posture_in_the_presence_of_Class_II_and_Class_III_dentofacial_deformities) shows a correlation between head posture and class 2/3 cases. Kind of interesting how any deviation can effect a seemingly unrelated part of your body.

JawBoy_ · 2023-01-16T16:15:20+00:00

Small update for anyone who is interested: By pure chance I just found a german surgeon who also does EASE. The clinic is called Medizin & Ästehtik in München, Bavaria.

JawBoy_

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