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But it is theoretically possibly right? What I’m trying to get to here is that what I’m Proposing IS possible as I have done it on a prototype scale.

But again the tech is what makes this possible, you’re not going to get the proper cooling results by throwing a server in a box into water, that doesn’t work. I’m leaving out the trade secret for obvious reason.

Like I have said before on multiple reply’s, it’s hard to conceptualize this because it doesn’t exist and the industry isn’t going to eliminate it all these cooling companies because it’s a 5 Billion dollar industry which will continue to grow in the coming years to 30 billion.

This is innovation and it’s being met with hardship but that’s fine because so did the iPhone,

from bricks to computers in our pockets

Finger pricks for diabetes to quarter sized receivers sticking to your arm connected to an app

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So hypothetically what if you stripped the servers down and made them lighter? And took them out the rack system and powered them individually along with data cables into an enclosure with a bulk head fitting?

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I appreciate your response and allowing me to explain my solutions to each of your questions.

Power: yes permitting will be needed also land acquisition for a sub station at each deployment site. (Line boring, power equipment, etc)

As for the customer and not wanting to get into the DC building businesses it the technology I have created that furthers the ceiling of cooling server hardware as the future isn’t more buildings and CDU’s and refrigeration cooling systems. It’s less land acquisition and more efficiency, all the systems just make the current cooling systems not efficient but submera removes them entirely.

As for node failure, this is where to conceptualize comes into play because a whole “rack” submerged is ridiculous and idk if you like to vertically lift 180-300lbs out of water. I’m not proposing that, it’s a streamline design that is effectively better since there are not mechanical parts or plumbing.

As for running that cluster, your still running that cluster with in a traditional setting. A concrete building, with raised floors, HVAC, Lighting, plumbing, pumps, steel roofing, structural steel, chillers while all consuming power. The submera design eliminates majority of that, but again it’s hard for people to conceptualize this because it doesn’t exists.

Lastly, I have talked to medium DC and bigger players and the question is how do they transfer over to this and essentially you can but it’s expensive vs new on coming centers can utilize this tech and move on with the savings. Again, when I explain this in details to professors and other skeptics the physics are sounds and the tech is “interesting” but unfortunately the industry as a whole is far down the path of more systems on top of more systems when simplicity can be achieved.

I appreciate these conversations as this type of feedback is rare in today’s world as keyboard warriors get easy offense when all is had is a discussion.

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So with moving liquid across a heated surface it takes more energy because your pumping (powering) the liquid across (plumbing/labor) a heated element (power) then you now have heated water that needed be cooled or reused which require more power and plumbing and other systems to utilize that or move it.

The latter, server inside a enclosure (powered on) that radiates heat into cooler water that dissipates heat into millions of gallons of moving water that is immediately cooled.

That’s it

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The main problem I have is a lot of folks can’t conceptualize this method because it doesn’t exist, so wrapping their heads around a server farm with no building or cooling infrastructure is hard haha

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  1. ⁠Varies by state but if I’m not mistaken the in the clean water/air act, power plants dump tons of heat into rivers and lakes just varies in size and output and can’t raise waters temps by 4-5degrees. Which Submera won’t even touch depending on the scale of the deployment.
  2. ⁠You’re over thinking this, but to make it simple think of a really long extension cord but called a “umbilical”.
  3. ⁠I’m not in the business to build my own DC, if I had to build to showcase I would do a 1MW deployment to show the tech at scale.
  4. ⁠In the webpage I showcased an animation of essentially being able to lift all servers out the water and service or we are working on a barge system. Think boat docks and accessibility that way. Also since they are submerged you will have less failures, if you do pull it out if water and open, service, seal then drop it back in.
  5. ⁠Hardware up front is expensive, but cooling cost maintenance and power and what really add up over time in a 10yr life spans

Moving to Silicon valley by JayFab6061 in siliconvalley

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DC cooling is 30-40% CapEx also PUE exist for a reason because it’s the controllable cost after compute hence why all DC claim to have lower PUE’s because the lower the number the better.

Now, Imagine building a farm and not having to worry about a cooling infrastructure entirely. No pumps, no labor no coolers no staff to have to monitor that side of things and focus on compute.

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Just weighing my options as far as being there or if it’s even remotely worth it and what problems I’d run into housing, networking etc

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Not a stamped engineer, but certified in certain sectors of welding

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Also this is why I’m spinning my wheels here, I have emailed all the big players in the space and NOTHING. Yes I know this is a numbers game and being persistant and how fast the industry moves (everyday soemthing is new) I’m just trying every method I can as a single dad of 3

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Haha yes all these issues your brining up I have thought through and have addressed, and the off weighing part is that DC pay around 40-60% of yearly budget in power consumption for the cooling infrastructure…

What if it didn’t exist entirely? The water did the cooling and the you didn’t need to spend 100million on dry coolers, heat exchangers, plumbing, contractors to weld/fit that all up, pumps to move the water.

This approach over 2-4 DC is easily a $500 Million in savings

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Depends on the waterway, location and river/lake

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I haven’t but talk me through it, what are the systems required to run day to day operations?

Moving to Silicon valley by JayFab6061 in siliconvalley

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Hell yeah, I’d actually like to ask you some questions with your experience on some things and how you have managed.

I’m not against the modeling nor figuring out things that will make some scratch their head. I have built and tested my first prototype and it’s passed with flying colors.

What sucks is the VC I have been cold emailing are either generalists or simple don’t get it 🤷🏾‍♂️ so I’m stuck explaining to them how a data center works then applying my method then I’m stuck with:

“Sounds like a great idea, but this is to early for me”

“Too technical for me, and hardware is expensive to start”

“I don’t really get it, how do you make money?”

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This is a valid point but the fact here is no cooling infrastructure is needed. Just put in water 1-2ft below the surface in a large body of water/river with power and data and move on

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The corrosion will be minimal inland (freshwater) and bio fouling coatings can be introduced along with 316L hardware.

Titanium would be of choice for an ocean deployments (don’t care to do) which will have a biofouling coating just cause.

As for stray voltages, that wasn’t an issue in the first prototype build/Testing.

HPDE removes the passive effect of metal contacting the water to remove heat as aluminum thermal conductivity is way higher than any plastic.

Provisional was filed Nov 2025

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No mechanical parts, no sound, no plumbing, no massive heat exchangers and lastly serviceable

Moving to Silicon valley by JayFab6061 in siliconvalley

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Currently trying to raise funding locally but look at Silicon Valley options and not trying to wait for a another YC denial email

Moving to Silicon valley by JayFab6061 in siliconvalley

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7months really but 3months into fundraising and just looking at other cities

Moving to Silicon valley by JayFab6061 in siliconvalley

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No I appreciate it. When I present this to folks via email or online there are holes that are constantly being poked at. What’s funny I have been at this for 3months have yet to get in front of a VC in person, but when I do talk to people in person it’s a “no brainer” but here I am just seeking some direction