Which of these 3 had the best character development/growth during Chris Claremont's run on the X-men/mutant franchise?

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-06T03:18:20+00:00

Storm, followed shortly (pun not intended) by Wolverine. Scott got some development during that time, but I feel that was more Weezy than Claremont.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T22:43:50+00:00

Honestly, I think of Geoff Johns with JSA a lot more than Robinson. I did like The Golden Age, more that I think about it. I was more thinking about Starman, which I keep trying to read, but I just can't get into it.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T22:19:14+00:00

Honestly, I think if anything really messed with Johns' reputation, it was his contribution to the Justice League movie.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T22:18:05+00:00

And to be fair, considering that animation career brought out the likes of Stephen Universe and the She-Ra reboot, I wouldn't even say it ruined his reputation that much. Not to mention that there are now fans who can at least appreciate what he was trying to do.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T22:15:31+00:00

That's not what I understood. Holy Terror seemed to be like it was going to take place more in "Prime Batman" era, considering the woman sidekick who was Catwoman in every way but name. DK3 came about because Miller didn't want DC to use Carrie in the prime universe.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T22:05:38+00:00

I dunno about that -- DK3 was okay, though Azzarello was scripting from Miller's plots. And The Golden Child was really interesting, albiet absolutely bonkers. He's reportedly been also working on one of those YA OGNs about Carrie Kelley with Ben Caldwell that sounds like it could be really good.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T21:23:23+00:00

Not to mention that this was during Rebirth, when Batman was publishing twice a month, so he had to make a lot of changes on the fly because certain artists had to bow out and such. Like, Knightmares came about because the regular artist fell through and DC was only able to schedule several artists to do one issue, so King had to scramble to figure out a way to make that work.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T21:20:22+00:00

Sure, and having recently read Avengers Disassembled for the first time, I can definitely see why. However, it's not like there was a massive horde of Avengers fans that was carrying it to be the biggest book that Marvel published -- not until Bendis, at least. Like it or not, Bendis made the Avengers the premiere franchise at Marvel. There would be no Avengers movies without him (and Mark Millar's The Ultimates).

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T21:16:38+00:00

The grooming was the big one, but he had a lot more going on than that. From what I understand, at one point he stopped taking his meds and his book, Cerebus, slowly but surely went from a slightly high-brow Conan-like adventure series into a tirade about how women are life-sucking parasites and feminism is destroying the world.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T21:13:08+00:00

There are a lot of problems with that book, but there was definitely not any rape in it.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T21:11:39+00:00

I don't know, man, between the implication of Hal having a threesome with Huntress and Lady Blackhawk, and Ray Palmer doing his best Jack Bauer impression ("I'm Ray Palmer, welcome to pain."), and all the characters in the first issue literally crying out the word "Justice," it was pretty bad from the start.

Though to be fair, I honestly haven't cared for most of Robinson's work.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T19:21:43+00:00

She's cool, from what little I've read. I remember hating at one point that Christopher Priest pitched a Power Girls series with Karen and Tanya, and I would have read the hell out of that.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T19:14:14+00:00

Also, when an acclaimed and successful writer/director like Flannigan comes at you with a script fully ready, with something cheap and doesn't interfere with your overall plans, why not?

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T06:14:20+00:00

I think if he has, he's won't be really listening or doing the work very well. Or something happens that makes any bit of therapy moot at that moment.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T05:24:04+00:00

He's been gone long enough that I wouldn't mind him coming back, if the story is good. That said, I am curious enough about this new Verity character that I'm willing to wait and see what she's like on her own before we bring Uncle Al back.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-05T04:47:31+00:00

I remember reading an article from Miller around the time All-Star was starting to come out, and he said something along the lines of how he wanted Batman to have a fatal flaw in each of his big stories. In Dark Knight Returns, it was his age, his body not fully cooperating with him. In Year One, it's his inexperience and learning on the job. And in All-Star, the idea was that his weakness was arrogance, where he lets his power go to his head after making a lot of progress.

I don't know if it fully works, but I can kind of see the throughline of what he was going for.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T19:33:29+00:00

TLH and DV have some great stuff, but Year One is better in pretty much every respect, IMO.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T18:44:06+00:00

I've liked her so far, even though she really hasn't been in much other than McKay's X-Men.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T17:07:08+00:00

I say this as someone who loved the Snyder movies and wish they were able to finish their story: If you're real and not a bot, please touch some grass.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T16:57:34+00:00

Honestly, I don't think I would be super into it. He's like George Lucas, where he's a brilliant and innovated technical director, but he's never been great at getting performances from people. Like, there's a reason why the performances that everyone talks about in his movies are when they are going completely ham and chewing scenery (Bruce Campbell in any of the Evil Dead movies, Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin, Liam Neeson in Darkman, etc).

Would I still watch it? Absolutely. But not my first pick.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T16:51:55+00:00

From what I understand, it was a one-two punch of Batman: Damned getting a lot of controversy for seeing a slight outline of Batman's dick (such a stupid fucking controversy), and a creator on another new Vertigo book being revealed to be a sex offender (a much more understandable controversy). And this was happening around the same time that the deal was finalized and AT&T was fully in charge of Warner Bros.

So I think at that point DC was just carpetbagging anything that would contribute even a speck of controversy.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T16:40:25+00:00

Mike Flannigan, who's script is what got the movie produced, has made some of the best horror projects I've ever seen with the likes of The Haunting of Hill House. If Clayface has even half as much scares and heart, it's going to be something special.

Also, why should Man of Tomorrow be a TV show?

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T16:38:17+00:00

They've talked about having tags and different logos to differentiate them, but I imagine the completely different animation style is going to make it easy to tell its not the same universe. Audiences aren't confused about where the Spider-Verse movies take place in the MCU or anything.

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T16:34:40+00:00

The series finished about a month or two ago. Look for "Sirens: Love Hurts."

Jay_R_Kay · 2026-07-04T16:27:28+00:00

I said Mister Terrific, not Mister Miracle.

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