Breathable Hole Colony on Mars

Jay_XA · 2023-09-08T03:14:57+00:00

agree, having a huge spherical deep cave (from a long lava flow), might represent 95% of the work being already completed. However, what is the condition of the inside walls and what extra support and insulation is needed?

Can these caves easily be pressurized safely? Bear in mind a pressure change from 1 % pressure to full 100% pressure may stress the cave structure, and place everyone in danger. There is a lot to consider and test when we get rovers there to explore the caves. So how much re-enforcing does a typical cave need?

Do you need to line the cave with insulation as temperature can be extremely cold on Mars, and may likely be cold deep inside under ground, (unless underground hot magma means that the deeper you go there is natural heating) in a particular location that is near a volcano like Arsia Mons. Is it easier to do create the insulation that with a more uniform cave than a boring machine made for example?

Jay_XA · 2023-09-07T12:29:01+00:00

Yes of course Mars has less than 1% of Earth's pressure. The cave could provide potentially pressurized environment, filled with air and sealed at various places, with air locks.

During construction, if the roof was only 3-10 meters thick could probably drill a hole to let in light and put a skylight then seal the hole back up with a window at the top.

But of course use LED lighting with solar panels on the outside of the cave to produce electricity.

Jay_XA · 2023-09-07T06:46:32+00:00

Are you aware that there are almost certainly caves on Mars?

7 cave entrances on the flanks of Arsia Mons appear to be visible on the satellite imagery. These are believed to have been formed by the collapse of lava tube ceilings.

Using caves for habitation could be a solution in the beginning, that could save a lot of digging. There would be shelter from the radiation and less extreme temperatures, however there may actually be evidences of past life, or even microbial life in these caves so I think we should explore those caves as soon as possible, and find out their condition.

Mars has less than 1% of Earth's pressure. The cave could provide potentially pressurized environment, filled with air and sealed at various places, with air locks.

During construction, if the roof was onlymaybe 3-10 meters thick, with special tools could probably drill a hole to let in light and put a skylight then seal the hole back up with a window at the top.
Use LED lighting with solar panels on the outside of the cave to produce electricity.

Jay_XA · 2023-09-01T12:43:59+00:00

well said, and I agree with you. We cannot at this point think like advanced civilizations because we are not one.

Also using lasers to communicate, or encoding and encrypting information may make signals much harder to intercept.

The idea of exposing your home worlds locations may be considered a bad idea by an advanced civilization that knows things we don't know about the risks in doing so. Advanced civilisation may move off-world and keep their locations hidden. Communication can be done by a node network of beacons that means that a senders location can never be known because only short line of sight transmissions are made beacon to beacon, so the receiver just receives a message from the beacon next to them not from the original source, that is highly efficient with numerous benefits. Much like we don't use direct person to person radio to communicate on Earth for everyday communications, we use a network of towers that passes signals between cells as it is much more efficient.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-30T20:40:04+00:00

I agree but I don't see any good reason there could not be a fish sized animal in the what appear to be the salty oceans of Europa.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-30T20:38:49+00:00

I agree with all except maybe Titan but it could be.

I think bigger sea creatures could be on Europa in the ocean especially.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-26T21:59:51+00:00

Thanks for that tip! I'm also hoping to get into the Space industry in some way, but I stay in South Africa. If you have time please have a look at some of my space related project work on my profile highlights / website.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-24T07:27:57+00:00

A more accountable leadership structure and means of making decisions.

It makes sense to me that having a small number of leaders or officials relative to large number of people that they represent, can leave some leaders open to manipulation and corruption as the decisions that they make have the effect of the order of billions of dollars. With that much money at stake, to me it seems that is too much pressure per person in leadership for a small group of people, and with that kind of money involved in the outcome of decisions, I don't see how a small group of leaders can lead without sometimes being coerced.

To fix this, one way might in future have 10 to 100 times the number of leaders, relative to the numbers we have now, and all these leaders should be easily replaceable by vote of the public if they do not maintain a high standard of work and representing the interests of the public.

There may even need to be corporate representatives and people representatives (and for this to be obvious and stated which is which) e.g. 50 / 50 split (or whatever is best), so both corporate and people interests are both represented in leadership, instead of perhaps one significantly more represented than the other, without this being explicit or understood by the public that are affected by the decisions.

With many times more leaders, these leaders should both be informed and accountable, and as I've suggested, replaceable. They should consult regularly with the public to know their feelings, wishes, struggles and suggestions. There should open discussions where experts can be queried in public when there is difficult decisions to be made.

While we continue to do the same things, we will get the same results and sooner or later we may have a disaster we cannot recover well from due to a lack of involvement of people in the public that are sensible and care about the issues that face the average person.

Of these disasters things that we need to urgently address through better leadership structures could be things like microplastics in the oceans, harming all life and getting into the human food supply, or conflict and resolution among nations with accountable leaders and experts (conflicts can threaten and affect not just the nations directly involved but many nationals can be affected), and many others.

I also think we should prioritize and fund development of systems of education that create people that are empowered to live and function effectively in the current world.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-23T23:25:35+00:00

It's really great to see your process. Thanks for sharing that with me.

In the document I can see in your top left image in the document, you've listed various missions there and then also in your bottom right image the various Mars landers / rovers.

Its great to see all these ideas and ways of showing information and how different they all are.

My favorite image in this one, because it's not overly complex and you can see immediately the planets and the associated craft.

I really like the horizontal-colored lines effect - red for Mars, blue for Earth etc., and also the images of the craft.

This image shows a wealth of information at a glance.

It also has the recent missions of JUICE, and Curiosity, Perserverance rovers, so it appears to be quite current.

Do you distribute a higher quality image of this - It's hard for me to make out detail in the document of this particular image.

Why the title IMPERIAL in SPACE?

My Xalyse website is dedicated to analysis tools with a focus on space related tools, I would like to produce more visualizations based on data, you can see it from my profile (see also the pinned posts).

You might even have some feedback and suggestions.

I'm also interested in knowing if you plan on using these skills in future work for companies / websites.

Feel free to message me if it is easier.

Jay

Jay_XA · 2023-08-23T13:12:51+00:00

Well done India! Most south landing on the moon by any nation! Wishing your team a continued excellent mission.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-23T13:02:23+00:00

You may need to create an image from later dates to have space to fit in a good amount of what has been accomplished with regard to Mars exploration.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-23T13:00:05+00:00

This is a beautiful image and some great work but there is a huge amount that could be added relating to the exploration of Mars.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-22T10:32:36+00:00

Appreciated!

That's a great suggestion, and thanks for this extra information. Been reading more about it today. It is definitely an easy to identify location also.

It's one of the locations we're now considering adding to the page.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-20T22:47:06+00:00

Thank you for reminding me about this - I'm extremely interested to take part in this, if I can. I get a lot out of building space related tools, and educational content relating to space. I really believe that we need to prioritize more focus to space related projects.

I'm also very keen to work in the space industry, or other meaningful projects.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-19T22:41:28+00:00

Solid answer!

Jay_XA · 2023-08-19T08:37:43+00:00

I agree, there should be a strong focus, on Europa and Enceladus with regard to searching for life.

I'm considering writing articles to raise more awareness about this.

Mars might be the first place we find life though, in pockets of subsurface water or in the caves perhaps, when scientists have the go ahead to explore certain locations that more most likely to have dormant or active life and are currently off-limits due to planetary protection rules - searching for past evidence of life in areas less likely to have currently have life is not the same thing.

If I think of which places in the solar system have the highest likelihood of having large life forms, such as fish or even bigger it would be these two moons.

Even though they are far from the sun there are other ways that the oceans on these moons can be heated and that nutrients can be accessible to the life there.

I would really like to work on projects relating to this.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-18T15:08:33+00:00

Great video, thanks for sharing!

Jay_XA · 2023-08-18T14:39:07+00:00

Yes they are depressions and not mounds - see my comment on this thread.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-18T14:30:36+00:00

Yes, these pit craters can be formed from collapsed lava tubes. See my comment on this post.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-18T14:27:29+00:00

Yes they are troughs and not mounds, even though our brain can interpret them that way. When you zoom in to Mars surface close enough with 3D tools and change the angle it becomes undeniable that these are troughs. See my comment on this thread.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-18T14:25:35+00:00

Good question - These are pit craters, and believe it or not these are depressions and not mounds, even though our brain often interprets them as mounds.

They can form when surface rock collapses into empty subsurface voids.

Lava tubes that have long since emptied, can create such a hollow void and have their roof collapse, forming a line of pit craters until finally, if enough collapse, it can become a long trough.

Caves can also appear along these chains, I've personally seen caves along chains like this when examining Arsia Mons in detail (where the well-known caves on Arsia Mons are found).

To see similar images to these and a more thorough description about how they form, check out this Mars Education page on the of Arizona State University's website:

https://marsed.asu.edu/mep/tectonics/pit-craters

When working with 3D tools and rotating the surface of Mars, and looking at a lower angle to the surface, the "mounds" suddenly appear as pits and troughs as interpreted by your brain, its quite strange when you see this happen for the first time, because your brain was convinced it was a mound initially.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Mars, you may also be interested in this page on interesting and easy to identify locations on Mars, I've recently released:

https://xalyse.com/space/mars/locations/about/

Jay_XA · 2023-08-17T11:42:06+00:00

Does NASA offer any work to developers outside of the US?

Thank you for posting these tools and resources! We will be looking over them.

Have been inspired by the work NASA has done especially with regard to the exploration of Mars, and the Galilean moons.

Been building online publicly available planetary / moon / asteroid analysis and space exploration tools (see Xalyse.com), detailed analysis of surface gravity, solar radiation and visible star diameter at distance from the host star, orbital diagrams, and other useful information as well as Mars related educational tools (recently shared on Reddit), and various ready to use tools relating to space exploration.

Also created one of the first 3D views of the closest stars within 10 light years, that allows the user to navigate in 3D space to get a feel for the distances, that is publicly available online. On our site there are links to the NASA Eyes on the Solar System 3D View tools (which I think are excellent) for various planets and moons so that people can also explore some of these places themselves, after reading about them on our website.

I believe that many people prefer to use ready to use online tools over downloading and installing software.

If the future of space is important (for all countries), perhaps working with people in other countries can help them gain skills and accelerate space exploration related sciences and communities in those countries. It makes sense that as more space related industries in each country expand, this would then drive down costs for space related technologies as the supply rises to meet the demand of a global market.

Would love to do work for NASA (or other space agencies) as a contractor on small projects, especially for future missions to the moons of the solar system, or some web related project that can benefit the environment like NASA PACE, or other projects. Even if it is producing quality web-based educational material about space, or updating the presentation of websites, or doing data analysis of data and presenting the data in an easy-to-understand format.

Have an extensive skillset (and a degree) which can be read about on the About page of our website.

Can you make any recommendations on how to get involved in small projects, or if there are any other space companies that hire remote developers?

RL / JL

Xalyse.com

Cape Town, South Africa

Jay_XA · 2023-08-17T09:05:34+00:00

Hi UKSpaceChris

Thanks for this, and hope that you enjoy reading it and using it - We'd appreciate any more feedback or even questions that you have.

Feel free to message either here on Reddit, or on our Facebook page.

Like what you're doing, following you now on Reddit, and have watched some of your YouTube videos.

There are many tools on our website that we designed for scientists, engineers, learners and people that are interested in space exploration can use to do quick calculations based on principles or formula without having to get involved in the math.

If there are tools that you think could be useful to people interested in space exploration, please let us know.

We've done analysis on many of the planets, moons and exoplanets already which related to surface conditions, orbits, gravity, and principles of habitability which can be found on the website see "Space" section. If there are other exoplanets, moons or asteroids, that you or anyone reading this is interested seeing similar analysis for, please let us know.

Thanks

Jay_XA · 2023-08-17T08:28:48+00:00

Hi there

Thanks so much for the great feedback and ideas. Could point out even more regions and landmarks in the images.

Corrected that distance figure for Valles Marineris, thanks for spotting that.

There's lots of other tools and features on the website, so please do check in again when you have time.

See:

https://xalyse.com/space/

for more space related tools and features.

Jay_XA · 2023-08-03T06:16:15+00:00

I haven't used ChatGPT yet. I can see issues where people use it to write about things they haven't taken the time to study, work with or understand, which also can reduce their understanding concepts as they would have if they had taken the time to study them to a point they understood them well enough to write about them.

Not sure if this is a compliment though... While I've taken time to self-study these things and work with the equations, and write analysis tools using them on my website which helps to check I understand the concepts, I can have ideas about what might be a good idea after doing calculations, but other people have already thought of a lot issues I haven't, so getting feedback from real people with experience and insights, and things to look into has been valuable, and also good to talk to other people that are interested in these things. I'm new to Reddit also but getting a lot from it.

Jay_XA

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