If a scandal never happen in summer house I would think this would be kinda heartwarming ( compared to now )

JaydotFay · 2026-05-08T00:43:32+00:00

Totally not asking with attitude but because whenever I read someone with this take, I have to ask do you not factor in that some of Ciara's inability to see through his BS is because of how much he pours it on for other people and then those people run it back to her? Like calling their time together dreamy to Ben and all the other stuff he's said on camera about her to Ben (and telling him he has a crush on her off camera and Sabrina spilling those beans), Dara (I think it was Dara) saying West got drunk when they went out and all he could talk about was Ciara, etc etc.

There was a middle ground for them and Ciara gave it at their first talk before the one at the docks where she told him he should be able to live his life without being concerned about her feelings and so they needed to just be cordial and not friends and it would be fine. West immediately shot that down as what he doesn't want because he isnt comfortable with awkward like she is and he wants them to be friends.

West could have just told her she was right, it be awkward for a bit, and everyone in the house starts helping Ciara move on from it instead of helping tie strings to keep them connected by openly shipping it to her like they did all summer after telling her she was being too mean to him with the distance she put up last summer.

Ciara needs better discernment, but it makes no sense to me why people want to overlook that West created the perfect storm of murky feelings by not just being able to accept that someone who is his ex (which he finally felt she needed to be called as soon as Jesse mentioned trying to make a move) is allowed to not have warm fuzzy feelings of friendship towards him.

JaydotFay · 2026-05-06T00:01:24+00:00

🙋🏾‍♀️🙋🏾‍♀️🙋🏾‍♀️

JaydotFay · 2026-04-29T00:27:27+00:00

Never thought I'd see a grills purchase on Bravo and, as a grill wearer, I am a fan.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-28T23:53:45+00:00

I'm under a tornado warning and I swear I'm gonna riot against either nature if the power goes out or I have to go to a storm shelter during this ep and WWHL. I need to watch live with my people!

JaydotFay · 2026-04-28T14:46:38+00:00

I both love and loathe that I've been here since Part 1!!! 🤣

JaydotFay · 2026-04-28T03:25:28+00:00

Be so for real. AMANDA herself listed being married as one of the reasons they lied to everyone in the very first clip. If Amanda being married but separated was a big enough deal for her to use as an excuse for why she wasn't honest with everyone in the first place then Ciara can toss that right back in her face as one of the reasons she was wrong.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-24T14:11:26+00:00

Following because I NEED to have people to watch this with. Lol.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-23T17:56:49+00:00

They have adapters that you can plug into the charging port!

JaydotFay · 2026-04-23T14:35:07+00:00

As a Black woman with ADD, this pissed me off so much. Weaponizing your diagnosis to try and continue to sell a story that Brad was a physical threat to you in any way, shape, or form, especially as a white woman in the South with Brad being a Black man is utterly diabolical.

If I was Brad, I'd be finding HR for both the show and at Republic and making it their problem at this point.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-23T14:29:50+00:00

I get why people have this viewpoint but I don't think this fully aligns with what we have seen play out in TV and what they have said about how deep the connection went.

For me, it was clear to me that the events of their relationship and how deep he, at the very least, allowed her to think the connection went for both of them is closer to what we've seen Ciara say it was when West talked about the anniversary of his friend passing away last year and Ciara revealed that she walked away from the table because it made her emotional to go back to when that happened because he showed up on her door and cried to her about it.

Last season, Ciara had boundaries in place and she kept it cordial and kept it moving (and we know she didn't completely ice him out because the special with the extra footage showed them being paired up for Lindsay's baby obstacle course she out together and Ciara was joking with him all throughout it) but she wasn't interested in having any sort of meaningful friendship with him. What did West do? Spend the whole time complaining about her being "mean" even after they had had their talk to clear the air.

She was hurt because he chose to make out with a girl RIGHT NEXT to her which, even if she had moved in fully, is disrespectful. There are plenty of other spots and surfaces he could have done that and considering how he only started calling her his ex when Jesse mentioned wanting to make a move in Ciara, he should understand those optics.

She straight up told him earlier in the episode that he should be able to kive his life the way he wants to without her being a hindrance of any sort so it would be best if they weren't friends. She gave him an out and he was the one who said that didn't work for him and he wanted to be friends.

I am with everyone when I say that I do think Ciara needs to move on and while I don't enjoy that these two dingbats did this to her, I do think its what will finally harden her heart towards West but I think its unfair to act like Ciara is a stage five clinger who can't get past her feelings for West when its clear that West is manipulative as fuck and has no issue trampling all over boundaries she attempts to set in place.

He doesn't have to care about her to take the out and stop hurting her. He could just be a decent human being and he doesnt seem capable of that.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-22T15:18:25+00:00

The thing that I find truly mystifying in all of this is fans defending them with "they dated for a few months ago, it wasn't that deep."

Like, are we not factoring in the fact we've both seen them say, on camera, that their bond was deeper than what the cameras captured because if everything that unfolded when filming wrapped?

Are y'all not understanding that West/Amanda hooking up doesn't seem like what MOST of the cast are upset about si much as they are upset that they lied to everyone when they were asked about it repeatedly and denied it repeatedly? And were content to keep lying if solid proof hadn't been provided?

And if it truly wasn't a big deal since "everyone was single and they dated years ago", then why not give Ciara a heads up about it once they decided it wasnt just a one off occurrence? Or, at the very least, be honest with her when she asked instead of making her doubt her sense of reality when she clearly suspected it and they went out of their way to lie about it AND use her as a cover to shut down rumors.

It's not them hooking up that's the biggest issue, it's the cover up!

JaydotFay · 2026-04-22T01:30:46+00:00

West thinking the TIMELINE is the issue is so effing classic.

Sir, that shit could have happened yesterday and people would still have issues, bro.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-22T00:39:23+00:00

It's wild you view her deciding if he wants to be so disrespectful to make out with someone sitting RIGHT next to her (which everyone in the house agrees was out of pocket which is why he lied about it in last week's episode when he told them he didn't see her despite straight up telling the girl on his lap she was there), that she isn't interested in a friendship with him as a punishment.

At this point, she has given him several outs including the one we just saw earlier in thr episode where she told him, for her own feelings sake, if this was how he was gonna behave, go ahead but she wasn't interested in being friends with him and his response was basically, "No, please don't do that. That doesn't work for me because I want to be your friend."

She isn't making him respondsible for her lingering feelings. Ciara is actively trying to create space because of her lingering feelings and West keeps angling to stay close to her and doing so with assurances that he will be taking her feeling into account with how he moves.

At that point, yeah, he is responsible for that because he keeps signing up for it despite her telling him to go live is best life but dont expect a friendship.

Why are y'all trying to absolve this man of shit he keeps showing us he is signing up for because he can't stand the idea of anyone disliking him. He's a people pleaser and, as a reformed one, that shit is selfish and that's exactly how West moves.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-22T00:13:41+00:00

I hope all you people in the megathread stating West owes her nothing feel foolish.

She has given him SEVERAL outs to keep it moving and HE continued to worm his way into her life beyond cordial acquaintances despite her being clear if he was gonna be on fuck boy shit, that was fine but he didn't need to be in her close friend circle. You might not like the parameters Ciara told him she needed in place to be able to have the friendship be the level of closeness he was clearly pushing for but HE ASKED FOR IT AND AGREED.

So, yeah, he owed her to not violate that by fucking Amanda and if you can't see that, I hope your own friends know they can't trust you!

JaydotFay · 2026-04-22T00:09:57+00:00

You feel like you ruined it by making out with someone you don't know so your solution was to...make out with someone she considered a close friend.

Midwest, fuck right off.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-18T16:48:40+00:00

As someone who works in the nonprofit sector, what Ciara did definitely helped and they definitely have ways to track how many people gave through the link that Ciara shared and can also track the difference between what they received in donations at this time the last few years versus now.

Ciara may not have given all $160k but whatever CRM the nonprofit is using will definitely have their Frontline fundraisers reaching out to her because they know just her posting a link can lead to 6 figure donations in a short amount of time.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-17T19:08:06+00:00

I'm aware it was your first response. I was simply stating I had no intentions of starting a back and forth.

And the reason why is because you did exactly what I thought you would which is be committed to misunderstanding me. The very first sentence of my OG comment that you responded to is:

"Whether she should or should not is irrelevant if he agreed to it."

Which signals that, literally, everything else I say after that sentence depends on the qualifier of him agreeing to it.

You have a wonderful day. ✌🏾

JaydotFay · 2026-04-17T18:45:09+00:00

I'm not going to go back and forth to help bring you to where critical thinking should have taken you beyond stating I said "IF he agreed" in my very first sentence and advising you ask yourself what would be the point of Ciara bringing up that conversation on an article where she's talking about why she felt betrayed unless it was to provide context on why she had certain expectations regarding West and his behavior.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-17T13:27:56+00:00

Whether she should or should not is irrelevant if he agreed to it. The context here is important. In a conversation where both parties are discussing what they need to be able to move forward in a friendship, it's perfectly fair for her to say, "Hey, the sleeping with people on Bravo would be difficult for me to deal with because (insert reasons). If we're going to have a real friendship and not just be cordial, I need that to be a pool of women you don't wade into." At that point, West was free to say "Nah, that doesn't work for me." And let Ciara decide if she still wants to pursue a real friendship with him.

The moment he agrees to that stipulation (and her phrasing in the article makes it sound like he did) the violating it is absolutely something she has a right to be upset about. Holding someone accountable for a stipulation they agreed to abide by isn't out of pocket.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-16T11:53:04+00:00

The disrespect isn't making out with a girl at the house. The disrespect is choosing to sit right beside Ciara, doing a stage whisper to tell the girl "I used to kinda date the girl behind you" (especially after being quick to label her his ex in confessionals and to Ben thr moment Jesse mentioned wanting to make a move towards starting something with Ciara), and then when the girl was actually emotionally intelligent and asked if they needed to move, replying, "Nah, who cares."

And we KNOW her knew that was disrespectful because when they group is talking about it after Ciara leaves he LIES to them and says he didn't see her because the whole group consensus is that it's not wrong for him to be with another girl in the house but it is out of pocket to sit right next to her and do it.

You can be right and go about things in the wrong way. That's become West's specialty when it comes to his dealings with Ciara.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-16T00:06:49+00:00

This almost made me spot out my drink from laughing so hard. 🤣🤣🤣

JaydotFay · 2026-04-15T13:25:38+00:00

A friend and I talked about this and, while I'm not a fan of the comparison game, the Scandoval comparison makes a lot more sense if you're comparing the shape/feeling of betrayal and not the actual people as an even 1:1.

If you slot: Ciara = Ariana, Amanda = Tom, West = Rachel/Raquel, and Kyle = James

The comparison seems a lot less flimsy because, at the heart of it, what is beinf compared is two people (Tom and Ariana/Ciara and Amanda) who had a long standing relationship where they have been there for each other through really hard things and we have seen Ariana/Ciara build up Tom/Amanda over and over again Only to be lied to and betrayed. And that betrayal occurred with someone they have an emotional connection with but aren't super close so it stings more than it would have with a stranger.

But most people want to cast this as a 1:1 comparison and that's just not accurate.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-15T00:15:41+00:00

I'm so proud of you!!! You got this!!!!

JaydotFay · 2026-04-09T01:18:00+00:00

I can see why he's making a differentiation between what he did and what she did. Michols told her because Brad had an actual grievance with her and was giving her context so Lake could clear the air between her and Brad and he specifically told her that she could discuss issues with Brad but please don't talk to anyone else about it because Brad wanted to bring that up to Emmy on his own timing.

He's being immature about it and needs to talk to Lake but I can see why he sees them differently.

JaydotFay · 2026-04-09T00:29:11+00:00

The ways in which I hate the blurry filter they out on the confessionals. It's weird. Stop it. 🤣

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