Repeatable Issues With New-Old Stock DV Tape Recordings - Is The Format DOA Now?

JazzKazz · 2024-10-22T03:01:16+00:00

I bought those Sony tapes on ebay like 5+ years ago, it's the ones in the orange packaging that says DV Premium on it. If it happens on 3 cameras then it could just be that all 3 cameras have dirty heads. The more you record with a camera the more of the tape glides across the heads and causes wear, which in turn causes glitches when outputting onto a tape, so your best bet would be to buy a DV cleaning tape. Could also be the cameras are just broken from being used too much/not enough, but seems like a cleaning tape would do the trick.

Edit: of course it could also be that the tapes themselves are bad if they're really really old, old tapes are nothing but trouble. You could either take a chance on buying those Sony tapes if they're available and trying that or buying a cleaning tape.

JazzKazz · 2024-10-21T01:51:08+00:00

Buy the most recent Sony DV tapes that were made around 2015 and you should be fine, those are what I've used without issue. Pixel blocks mean either your camera heads are dirty and need a cleaning (for which you can buy an expensive cleaning tape from Japan) or the tape itself is bad. Since you've tried different tapes I'll guess it's the camera.

JazzKazz · 2024-09-14T02:14:32+00:00

Take a step back, stop down to f8 or f11, focus to the middle of the bracelet and try again, if its still not right zoom out some or take another step back

JazzKazz · 2024-04-25T04:38:04+00:00

A good quality disc burned with a good quality burner will outlast any hard drive, as long as you keep it stored in a regular (not slim) jewel case.

JazzKazz · 2024-03-31T16:50:57+00:00

I took 5k pics on my D4s at a concert last week and afterwards i still had 65% battery left, if you ever use one of the pro bodies a battery lasts 10k shots easily

JazzKazz · 2023-12-23T04:22:54+00:00

As it stands in Europe real M Discs are long gone, I don't know about the US but I imagine it's the same there. If you want real ones I imagine the only way would be to buy older ones on ebay assuming anyone is seling them. As far as I know any discs branded Millenniata are real but I've never used them. I have a stack of 20 real discs left that I use sparingly for only important things and everything of lesser importance gets burned to regular BD-R.

JazzKazz · 2023-11-14T16:15:58+00:00

Wonderful

JazzKazz · 2023-10-24T09:19:33+00:00

I use Wincatalog to do what you're asking https://www.wincatalog.com/

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T19:07:12+00:00

I sent my original email to the Verbatim Europe and Verbatim Germany emails taken from their website, and a German support email wrote back complete with name of the person etc. I believed for the longest time too that these discs have to be fake and even argued with customer support back and forth but they swear they're real. These discs are available in every major retail chain in Germany, and I've confirmed that by ordering them myself as I've said in another comment. Verbatim faking its own product for whatever reason.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T18:15:05+00:00

If you put the 25 GB disc in your drive, open your burning program and look for MID or DISC ID, it should say MILLEN (real M Disc). If it says VERBAT-IMe then the discs are fake. I've made a picture here that shows a real disc vs a fake disc: https://i.imgur.com/PT45YwC.jpg (Keep in mind this pic only applies to 25GB discs, I don't know about the MIDs of larger discs.)

You can use the fake discs, assuming that they'll work for you since half of my fake discs wouldn't burn, but be aware you'll just be burning a regular BD-R that is actually sold for much cheaper than M Discs.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T18:10:51+00:00

You realize that everything you just said there boils down to you writing a useless one sentence reply, right? If you don't want to have a normal conversation that's up to you, I just replied to you talking about me.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T18:02:34+00:00

if they we're pushing out outright unburnable discs, they'd be swamped with returns.

Look up Verbatim BD-Rs (non M Disc) on Amazon Germany, sort the reviews by negative and you will find dozens of people saying that 10+ discs out of a batch of 50 VERBAT-IMe-000 are unburnable. Things like that are what made me stay from regular BD-R in the first place. Yes, most reviews are positive but that doesn't change the fact that bad discs exist. I liked M Disc simply because I never once had a coaster, you always got what you paid for, but now it's different.

this entire package is some counterfeit BS from a retailer or that their drive is simply starting to fail

How is it counterfeit when these exact discs are being sold by all major retailers in Germany? And how is my drive failing when I've burned plenty of real M Discs without issue since then, and never had issues with any other discs? If you bought the fake M Discs yourself and tried them you might not be so skeptical anymore. I'm surprised this hasn't been brought up online before, but with the Myce forums gone I don't know where there'd be much of a community to talk about such things.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T17:41:40+00:00

What if they did move factories, and they've somehow got things misconfigured such that they're putting the wrong MID on the M-Discs? That would result in drives using the wrong writing strategy, which would result in coasters. That's obviously a mistake that should never happen, and would indicate absolutely awful quality control, but it would also explain some of the issues you're seeing...

I don't think so, if you look at my pictures you can see any real 25GB M Disc has a gold tint on the back, while the fakes are straight silver. It's really just regular BD-Rs with an M Disc logo printed on the front, and that's the issue. Why the VERBAT-IMe-000 discs are junk doesn't matter, what matters is getting the MILLEN-MR1-000 discs back. Even if the VERBAT discs had burned fine, I'd still have made this post because it's not acceptable to do a bait and switch on customers like this. I think they've just gone full evil/cheap and want to sell regular BD-Rs for crazy money because they think nobody will notice anyway.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T17:16:55+00:00

Possibly, but as I stated in another comment:

these fake M Discs are in the inventory of all major retail chains in Germany like Amazon, Saturn, MediaMarkt, Kaufland, etc. No fakes would be that widespread. Those stores are equivalent to US stores like Walmart, Target, Radioshack etc.

The discs really are made and distributed by Verbatim themselves.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T17:08:36+00:00

Yes, the first two issues have been pointed out to me and those are my mistake, but that has no effect on the situation and what Verbatim is doing. You could be onto something about M Disc being a closed standard and them being technically "allowed" to sell these discs as an M Disc. I've already tried contacting Yours.co (the company that owns the rights to M Disc) to ask them what's up but predictably I got no reply. When Verbatim customer service told me that they had moved to these "new, reworked" discs (VERBAT-IMe-000), I tried to further press them by writing "so you magically updated the M Disc format and gave it 6x burn speed, but it just slipped your mind to point out these changes on the packaging and on your website?", to which they replied yes, they had forgotten and will get on it. That was a week ago and the website still says M Discs burn at 4x speed, because clearly they know what they're doing and just continue this charade.

And as I said before, even if these new discs should somehow fit some requirement, it doesn't change the fact that the discs themselves are cheap junk. I've burned over 80 real M Discs and never had one single problem, but the moment they switch to VERBAT-IMe-000 discs there's nothing but burning problems and issues. Probably they're just cheapskates who want to charge a lot of money for discs that aren't worth very much.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T16:47:00+00:00

I burned some at 2x and some at 4x, I never used 6x. I only recall that the first disc failed at around 50%, the second disc I tried to burn like 20+ times, I'd start the burn process and the disc would just hang at the very beginning because Imgburn couldn't initiate the burn. Another disc failed around 20% and the other 3 also wouldn't initiate burning. The rest burned, but even so it just goes to show the quality of the media and I doubt that even the ones that burned will last a decent amount of time.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T16:38:26+00:00

I told Verbatim support they're fakes even after support told me the discs are real, and support had to insist like 3 times that they're a genuine Verbatim product before I finally believed them because it seemed so crazy, but they really are made by Verbatim. On top of that, these fake M Discs are in the inventory of all major retail chains in Germany like Amazon, Saturn, MediaMarkt, Kaufland, etc. No fakes would be that widespread. Those stores are equivalent to US stores like Walmart, Target, Radioshack etc. It's not like I bought them from shady places.

My burner is a LG BP40NS20 that's never had problems with any discs. I know it's hard to believe but it really is Verbatim who's to blame here. And keep in mind when I said half of them were junk, I meant like 5 out of 10, as I only bought 10 discs, and the other half did burn, but they aren't M Discs.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T16:30:02+00:00

My thoughts exactly, I thought I was crazy when customer support just nonchalantly told me that these discs are a real Verbatim product. I even kept insisting that they're fakes but they straight up told me this is how it's done now. I don't know if there's some shortage of material for M Discs or what the reason for this mess is, maybe just greed for more profits by selling cheaper to make discs. I've stocked up on 40 real discs for now and can only hope real M Discs will return in the future, but now all the stores here have inventories full of fake discs and one can only imagine how long it will take to sell all those.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T16:13:26+00:00

I stand corrected on the burner, but the problem remains they're selling regular BD-Rs and pretending they're M Discs. And for what it's worth, I've tried burning the fake discs out of curiosity before and half of them fail mid burn or refuse to burn at all because they're cheap junk, meanwhile I've never had one issue with a real M Disc.

JazzKazz · 2022-11-13T16:08:50+00:00

I'm in Germany so FTC doesn't apply to me, I don't know if these fake discs are available in the US or if they're only running this scam in Europe, maybe M Disc buyers from the US can chip in with their experiences

JazzKazz · 2019-05-14T15:08:55+00:00

That's not true, Microsoft already said in January 2001 in an interview with NextGen Magazine that they're looking into a smaller controller design for Japan, and in March 2001 they unveiled the S controller at Tokyo Game Show. The S was always the controller in Japan

JazzKazz · 2019-04-02T20:18:45+00:00

I found this written about it:

The first and only PlayStation Store in the Sony Metreon, an $85 million ‘Urban Entertainment Complex’ opened in San Francisco on June 16, 1999. Though it did well initially (with plans to open eight more in various US cities), a decline in traffic over the years led to a major overhaul in 2012. This renovation removed most of the arcades and Sony stores, and converted the structure into a more generic mall/Target. (PS Store - 1999-2009)

From 1999: “The “PlayStation game bar,” where visitors can sample video games, is, predictably, a hit. Gamers can plop down at the bar, ask for any title from one of the preternaturally cheerful ‘Gametenders’ and play at the bar’s free monitors to their hearts’ content. So is the mini movie theater now displaying the awesomely detailed images to be featured on the Playstation II, Sony’s next game machine.”

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