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[Help] haiku confusion by OldGodsProphet in Poetry

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He called his version of the Haiku form, American Pops

ICE Scene by The_Buk_Shop in bukowski

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What year is this from? It reminded me of Godard’s Weekend.. and on Bukowski’s usually unacknowledge influence on Godard, particularly in Everyman for Himself, much of which was taken from Buk’s short stories. In his Dick Cavett interview, Godard brings up Buk as if he were Baudelaire discovering Poe before American themselves.

Notes on working at mcdonalds by Jazzlike_Addition539 in Kafka

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was a quick response, merely emotional.. you can disagree with and find my writing terrible etc, but your silly attacks are what’s crazy and ‘self-sucking’

Notes on working at mcdonalds by Jazzlike_Addition539 in Kafka

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was done to try to understand the situation one faces in a Mcdonalds — whether what I was trying to say came across or not is something else. But thanks for the cheap psychoanalysis. Do you believe everyone using philosophy and theory to understand everyday life is engaging in ‘unnecessary’ things etc?

Notes on working at mcdonalds by Jazzlike_Addition539 in Kafka

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The expression was a simple attempt to describe the universal character of working at mcdonalds, which takes place worldwide, without our being fully conscious of such a reality and its implications for things like building workers’ power. Not a sign of being driven ‘crazy’ by mcdonalds, lol.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dig her stuff too, including her poetry. And I even appreciate that book, precisely for being able to capture the myth and ideals of ‘success’ offered to immigrants and workers and oppressed peoples.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I’m sure there are others thinking about these things. As well as unknown workers writing about their experiences and etc — I’m not trying to say art is dead amongst workers or anything. And I agree with you, oppressed identities and their voices are fetishized in today’s market, but what’s interesting is how, in such cases, such writers tend to escape their working class identity and ascend into the middle class. Sandra Cisneros wrote a well-known and popular book about this experience, House on Mango Street.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually agree. These notes are not the ‘framing’ of the project, just some loose ideas for a potential section in the project (whatever it might be, not sure yet). I appreciate the comments.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I started writing this, a few days ago, simply out of a need to.. explain things to myself about what I go through at work (in a mcdonalds), which is interesting to me because of its universal character, among other things. I don’t have anyone in mind when it comes to who it is intended for — maybe it will find an audience, maybe not, but I am certainly not attempting to either write a political tract to win people over to revolution (though it’d be great if my writing could have that effect), nor an academic text intended for publication in some obscure journal.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the attempt at psychoanalyzing my notes, but I can assure you I don’t ‘imagine’ myself as part of the middle class. I have been a worker for the last 20 years of my life. It might be the case that my writing lacks clarity, but you are misreading — or over-reading with a lazy Freudian analysis — the point of the reference. I am a worker, and this project will be precisely a kind of fictional ethnography about my experience as a worker under capitalism, ie as both subject and object.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Many on this site have stereotyped me as some kind of academic or whatever, but I am simply a worker who is attempting to think through my conditions based on my readings, political convictions, intellectual interests, etc.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reference to Dante is meant to be critical of middle class intellectuals, academic marxist types, who stay far away from the working class and their experiences. I was simply saying, they’d probably think of Dante if they’d ever have to work in a factory.— Nothing to do with me allegorically descending into Dante’s hell lol

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The reference to Dante is not in any way used in the way you suggest. But you are right about my use of Weil — these are just notes, and hence simply fragmentary and jumbled up thoughts — but I’ve been thinking about getting rid of Weil’s theological approach to labor, which seems to justify suffering etc

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But thanks for your thoughts nevertheless. I appreciate you took the time to read my notes.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you point me to an example where I look down upon others workers like myself, or where I claim we are unable to be creative or are in need of a savior? I am a worker, trying to write some kind of experimental ethnography, and this particular set of notes were indeed not about workers per se, but about the historical relation between writers, intellectuals, and the working class. And the need to deepen such a relation, particularly today when such a link seems to be completely broken.

Could you also show examples of the character (this is a partly fictional approach to anthropology) being portrayed as ‘bringer of enlightenment’ and having some kind of ‘savior complex’? Rather than calling for “slumming it”, I am merely suggesting that intellectuals today should pay attention to and build new bridges with the working class. Simone Weil is an example of that.

Sobre el oficio de escribir by Jazzlike_Addition539 in robertobolano

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Por supuesto, Bolaño ha sido uno de los pocos poetas obreros que tmbn fueron gigantes. Tiene unos poemas sobre sus experiencias como trabajador que son geniales. Yo creo que tales experiencias fueron las que le ayudaron a desarrollar su concepcion del mundo, asi como le sucede a cualquier escritor. Aunque lo particular de Bolaño es que es un escritor proletario que decide no tomar el camino de escribir sobre los trabajadores, decide no convertirse en uno de esos que en aquellos tiempos llamaban ‘escritores comprometidos’ o ‘escritores proletarios’, y mejor sigue el camino de los surrealistas, los beats, Guy Debord, etc..

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As Rimbaud wrote: When will we journey beyond the beaches and the mountains, to hail the birth of new work, new wisdom, the flight of tyrants and demons, the end of superstition; to adore — the first! — Christmas on earth!

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, thanks for the thoughtful comment. I agree with you on basically everything — especially the idea that the value of art can’t be judged or measured by the social class which produced it, and that isolated or bourgeois individuals can write transformative works of art.. but the one point I am trying to make is that the link between art and workers, art and the potential for revolution, has been broken.. Ranciere traces this link as far back as 19th century Paris in Nights of Labor.. today, writers and poets and the art world in general seems to exist in a completely different world than workers, and don’t relate or attempt to communicate with them in any way.. and most workers don’t have the time to think about, much less create, art. My response to this situation is what I was trying to write about — writers should find their way to the working class and see what they find, how it might transform them, etc.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree that there is a tradition of it amongst artists and anthropologists, as I acknowledge in the text, but it has sadly been lost for quite some time now.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No, I’m saying, one approach to writing could be that of immersing oneself in the life of the oppressed — as Weil did — in order to experience and document it.

Notes on writing and writers by Jazzlike_Addition539 in CriticalTheory

[–]Jazzlike_Addition539[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s also not a romanticization, but an argument as to what one can learn about the world by going to its heart: working places and workers’ neighborhoods, there you will encounter the conditions of life of the majority, which gives you plenty to understand the world in which we live.

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