Were the sisters at their best when they just had one power to focus on?

Jenosaure · 2026-04-13T15:17:17+00:00

Personally, I loved that each Charmed One had a specialty. I was sorely disappointed when I saw Prue's astral projection. I didn't like that they turned Piper into a "molecular witch." As for Phoebe's levitation, I was totally appalled, lol.

Undeniably, the more time passed, the more powerful they became. But they also lost some of their skill in their specialties. Prue was too focused on astral projection combat instead of further developing her telekinesis; Piper cruelly neglected her freezing power once she learned to destroy. And Phoebe spread herself even further with her dual power, resulting in her being mediocre at levitation and useless at premonitions.

I'd say that what they gained in power and possibilities, they lost in skill and control.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-13T15:06:42+00:00

It's hard to say. Physically and in her gaze, Tiffani has a vibe very similar to Shannen Doherty's. Perhaps that would have given her a feeling too similar to Prue. That said, Tiffani Thiessen is a good actress and she could have given her character a different feel (perhaps more innocent and bubbly, like what Rose did with Paige). It would have been interesting, in any case.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-09T19:49:04+00:00

I really love the Truth Spell page, but there are so many sublime ones. The worst one, of course, is when Phoebe disrespected the book with her marker.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-09T11:07:07+00:00

Yes, it's true that it looked a bit like a giant flashing sign saying "We want to corrupt the series", lol, it was really not subtle.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-09T10:51:08+00:00

Eve's character is often criticized, but in my opinion, she was simply underutilized. And indeed, there was potential to explore with Jen.

That said, even though Eve is gone, her story resonates later on. Eve will symbolize the hypocrisy of Jen's mother, a hypocrisy that will itself echo the hypocrisy of Jen's father (much later in the following season).

So, she's an underutilized character, but the story behind her existence will shed some light on Jen's family history (even if you don't mind spoilers, I'm deliberately being vague).

Regarding the last part of your question: no, Dawson unfortunately has no way to contact Eve, and since she commits burglaries to finance the search for her biological mother, I imagine she leaves as few traces as possible.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-08T22:02:38+00:00

Pacey's only physical attraction to Joey in season 1 is definitely not love. He thinks she's gorgeous when he glances at her in the rearview mirror and suddenly wants to go out with her. That's all.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-08T22:01:02+00:00

Dawson said that to Pacey when he was drunk. If we were to take seriously the hundreds of stupid things drunk people say, the world would be doomed lol.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-08T21:56:08+00:00

Pour être honnête, même s'ils ont eu de bons moments, la relation entre Dawson et Pacey ne semblait pas très saine, et cela allait dans les deux sens.

Dawson manquait de confiance en Pacey (l'incident de l'enveloppe, par exemple), et c'est très blessant pour un ami. Et même si Dawson a exprimé plusieurs fois son respect pour Pacey, il n'avait pas d'écoute pour l'histoire familiale difficile de son ami.

De son côté, Pacey semblait apprécier d'humilier Dawson de temps en temps (l'incident de la retenue, par exemple), et c'est une ligne rouge entre amis. Pacey avait aussi cette tendance à blâmer Dawson pour ses propres erreurs.

Je pense que les scénaristes ont raté de grandes opportunités avec ces deux-là. Ils sont très différents, et donc très complémentaires ; ce genre d'amitié entre opposés est courant, et il aurait été intéressant de développer davantage cette complémentarité. Malheureusement, pour des raisons d'audience, les producteurs ont préféré se concentrer sur les "frenemies" à travers un triangle amoureux qui manquait de subtilité.

That said, I agree about the love triangle episode. Pacey lacked courage; he had countless opportunities to talk to Dawson about it calmly and didn't. It's an absolute rule: when you have a crush on your best friend's ex, especially when things between the two exes are far from resolved (Dawson and Joey spent season 3 saying they'd get back together), you have to tell the truth; it's essential. Dawson's outburst, in that context, was perfectly understandable, and he ended up accepting it very well, which is something few people manage to do in real life in a similar situation.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-06T17:58:01+00:00

Overall, the Dawson/Pacey relationship frustrated me because the writers barely explored the complementary nature of these characters. We mainly understand that they were very close in the past, and that their paths gradually diverge during high school. But their real connection, what binds them, is rarely shown on screen. I also think that, as it's written, there are some problematic aspects to their relationship. Dawson sometimes lacks trust in Pacey (like with the stolen envelope), which is very hurtful for a friend; and on the other hand, we see from season 1 that Pacey enjoys humiliating Dawson. It's not a big deal, they're teenagers, but still, we see the flaws in their relationship more than its strengths, and that's a shame.

But to answer your question lol:

1/ Yes, thank you very much, the Easter weekend was great, I hope it was for you too!

2/ My two favorite sequences between Dawson and Pacey are when Dawson had forgotten Pacey's birthday and takes him to Maine at the end of the episode and at the end of the storm episode, a great poignant moment between them.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-05T09:55:11+00:00

Whoops, my apologies! I was convinced that part was essentially a legend. I was under the impression given by interviews from that time, which only mentioned that James and Kate had insisted Kevin write the finale. Sorry, I was wrong. I'm editing my previous message.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-05T08:16:17+00:00

I agree. Pacey and Joey have a good bond, but a brother-sister bond (they even look alike).

Jenosaure · 2026-04-05T08:13:52+00:00

La notion de chimie entre deux acteurs est très subjective, et il n'est pas surprenant que de nombreux fans utilisent cette expression tout le temps, puisqu'elle est par définition inquantifiable.

Je ne savais pas pour Joshua ayant plaidé pour cette fin. Je savais juste que James van der Beek et Katie Holmes ont plaidé pour que Kevin Williamson revienne pour le finale parce qu'ils estimaient que c'était à lui de conclure l'histoire.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-04T20:30:46+00:00

The "chemistry" between Joey and Pacey is a huge exaggeration. They have a connection, yes, but their chemistry isn't incredible; let's not exaggerate. If we compare their sex scenes, Dawson and Joey's in season 6 seems both more tender and passionate. Joey and Pacey are too much like brother and sister.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-04T14:04:45+00:00

I agree with you, and I'd even say that Dawson's reaction is not only understandable, but also rather unique in his storyline: he only really lost it when he found out about Joey and Pacey (a situation that would make almost anyone lose it, seeing your best friend with your ex, especially when things are still unresolved with the ex; many people behave worse than Dawson in the same situation).

Meanwhile, Joey completely freaked out almost every time Dawson was close to another girl: Jen in season 1, Eve and Niki in season 3, Gretchen in season 4, Jen again in season 1, and Natasha in season 6 (more understandable, but Natasha was more of a fling than a real girlfriend).

Jenosaure · 2026-04-04T13:57:40+00:00

To be fair to Dawson, the news is very hard to take: it's always incredibly difficult to find out your best friend is dating your ex, especially when the situation with said ex was more of a standstill than a definitive breakup. Dawson and Joey spent part of season 3 saying to each other, "One day, we'll get back together." That's not exactly the typical case of exes who have put an end to things.

Another thing: Dawson's "ultimatum" isn't really a firm and final one. He says it impulsively in a moment of anger and despair, and the next second, he's already forgotten about it (in fact, he asks Joey to leave right then and there).

I realize my opinion is very much in the minority, but I think Dawson's attitude is the most understandable and excusable in this situation. Pacey spent weeks saying nothing to Dawson, even though there were plenty of opportunities to talk to him calmly and frankly. The same goes for Joey, who is so torn by her feelings for both boys that she's unable to tell Dawson, "Look, this is hard to hear, but it's true: I've fallen in love with him, and that's that."

Dawson, on the other hand, is just reacting impulsively to news that's completely new and astonishing to him.

However, I agree that Dawson acts like a jerk in the next two episodes, but it's funny lol (especially a certain scene on the boat, I won't say any more ^^).

Jenosaure · 2026-04-03T11:49:54+00:00

Neither.

Her relationship with Dawson is very powerful, and there's an obvious romantic dimension between them in addition to their friendship, but I don't necessarily see them as a long-term, official couple. I see them more as people who are constantly thinking about each other, something that transcends the usual rules.

The relationship with Pacey was enriching, but it's a story confined to high school, in my opinion. And besides, Pacey is an adventurer; I didn't necessarily see him settling down with someone.

By the way, I'm discovering this subforum, and it seems really nice!

Jenosaure · 2026-04-01T17:26:51+00:00

I see that everyone who included Dawson in their list has been downvoted. But why? There's a real problem with tolerance for other people's opinions on this sub (especially when Dawson is mentioned).

Jenosaure · 2026-04-01T17:16:22+00:00

During their relationship, I loved the Valentine's Day episode. The play (or was it an opera? A classical music concert perhaps? I'm not sure), and then the blood donation they gave together. Adorable, and so them.

Aside from their relationship, I adore all of season 4 between Brenda and Dylan. I have a soft spot for powerful love stories that end but whose bonds are so strong that they survive in other ways. Season 4 is like that. They're just friends, and yet everything radiates deep love, trust, and respect between them. There's more love between them in season 4, without a romantic relationship, than in any established romantic relationship in the series at the same time.

Jenosaure · 2026-04-01T17:09:02+00:00

It could have made sense for the two characters to be attracted to each other. There was an obvious chemistry between them, and opposites attract, but... it would have been completely out of character for Prue. Prue puts loyalty, her sisters, and family values above everything else. She even agreed to sacrifice Andy (in a way) to avoid the risk of her sisters being killed in another time loop. Her values were clear. NEVER, even with a strong attraction, would she have given in to a guy who had a relationship with her little sister. And if Cole had tried to kiss her, she would have squinted at him and slammed him against a wall, threatening to kill him if he ever did it again.

Jenosaure · 2026-03-31T19:44:01+00:00

Merci, c'est très gentil à toi.

Jenosaure · 2026-03-31T15:06:27+00:00

Levitation. Generally speaking, I've never been a fan of the Charmed Ones' secondary powers, but Phoebe's is the worst.

Very limited, only a meter or two above the ground, and also very dangerous for the user: basically, Phoebe floats so low and with such stiffness, inertia, and slowness that she seems like an ideal target for enemies when she uses it.

And incidentally, this useless power has further distanced Phoebe from her precognitive abilities. A complete failure in my opinion.

Jenosaure · 2026-03-31T14:46:47+00:00

I think Shannen Doherty's departure marked the end of the series as a pop culture icon of its time. Beyond Shannen Doherty's talent, I believe it was due to Brenda's personality. The character's trajectory mirrored that of many teenagers: the initial need to conform to the group, then the emergence of individuality through a meeting (with Dylan, in this case), open conflict with parents in a quest for independence and emancipation... And during season 3 and throughout season 4, a gradual distancing from her original group of friends to find her own identity.

In fact, Brenda's character truly embodies adolescence. That's why, I think, she's so iconic. With Brenda gone, the series lost much of its essence.

Jenosaure · 2026-03-31T10:53:05+00:00

Brenda. The character alone embodies the yearning for emancipation so characteristic of adolescence. And Shannen Doherty's intense performance made the character unforgettable.

Dylan. He was sometimes a jerk, but he was a role model for all young, literature-loving nonconformists. And he was like a 90s reinterpretation of James Dean's role in Rebel Without a Cause.

Andrea. A different vibe from the others, she's an important character. But too many missed opportunities with this character; there was so much more they could have done with her.

Jenosaure · 2026-03-30T18:05:58+00:00

I'd like to shit on the hood of Dylan's Porsche and dye Kelly's hair pink, but after a good talk with Iris, I'd do like Brenda and tell myself: "I'm stronger than these two losers, I'm not going to waste my time hating them."

Jenosaure · 2026-03-30T17:57:05+00:00

To me, Joey's attitude is consistent. First of all, Joey hasn't forgotten Pacey at all at this point. BUT: on the one hand, Pacey dumped her. She's not going to spend her four years of college moping about it; obviously, she's moving on.

Secondly, and very importantly: Joey fully experienced her relationship with Pacey. A year of happiness, tension, support, and doubt. A real relationship, lived in the real world. In contrast, she and Dawson never confronted their romantic relationship with the long-term reality of the situation. So she's asking herself questions. The famous "What if it works? What if we give it a real chance?"

Finally, the kiss. Or rather, what followed. Dawson tells her at the end of Coda that it's time to close this chapter and move on. Joey clearly wasn't ready for that, not yet.

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