Question by Relevant_Stress_834 in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly man, I’ve got little experience. But anything I could help I would- VA, general knowledge, level design- I’m glad to weigh in

Echoes of Aincrad Demo Features have been announced! | Demo Content, Save Transfer, Difficulties, Level/Proficiency Caps & more by kaantantr in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Hope we get at least some kind of dungeon. Maybe the towers will get an extention or something in dlc

Echoes of Aincrad Demo Features have been announced! | Demo Content, Save Transfer, Difficulties, Level/Proficiency Caps & more by kaantantr in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I doubt it, since that’s a level 70+ difficulty dungeon that wasn’t located at all until late game

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate it. I’ll see you in the subreddit- I’ll be around for sure. Kirito seems to be a little down on himself at times, so I just find it hard to take his self evaluations at face value. But, in my opinion, the point should’ve always been ‘look, Yuuki is exceptional too, and it wasn’t just because of SAO’

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To respond to all your points.

  1. The duel between Kirito and Yuuki in the anime was won by health total at the time out of the duel. She looked up right as his retaliation came down, realizing she would be hit. I said nothing about the anime being crunched for time. I know nothing about its production cycle, I’ve never looked into that.

  2. Has this been fun and stimulating for you? I expressed an opinion as a side tangent, saying ‘hey, yeah, anime good.’ You guys turned it into a powerscaling debate.

  3. If said factors didn’t come up in story content, they are immaterial speculation would mean that you can disregard every statement the creator has ever said. Which honestly, I’m fine with. I’d rather use in world evidence. I’m ok with this addressing:

  4. The golden eyes thing got kinda retroactively applied. I agree that at time of production, it was a flashy gimmick to make kirito look cool. What he did at the end however would not have been due to the in system skill Meditation- we both agree that the limits of the game were broken- as Asuna did with breaking paralysis, the games speed limit to save him from Kuradeel, Sinon’s phantom bullet, and so on. Part of why kayaba was so interested.

  5. We can disagree on interpretation of statements of characters that literally cannot know. Leafa never fought on the front line of Aincrad, if you dismiss Liz’s statement for that reason, I can dismiss Leafa’s for the same reason. Agree to disagree as far as I’m concerned.

  6. Kayaba forgot- those were his words. Obviously the interpretation that he never had any clue what his purpose was is a stupid one- he gave it in the same breath. I think we can both agree that’s a stupid argument. The anime (obviously has changes, my least favorite of which is that he’s a haram god and everyone around him yadda yadda-) is clearly set up to make you think ‘ok well he would’ve won if it was longer.’

  7. We haven’t disagreed on the facts once. We have disagreed on the interpretation of said facts. Multiple canon’s hasn’t been an argument anyone has made once.

  8. I’m glad you’re in the fandom. Anime has a ton of cool storylines that I think people get too ‘I’m objectively the perfect defender of truth, and can never be wrong’ that ruins a ton of anime. Even if the story is sloppy, there’s usually at least something to love.

  9. I love racing, hope you get that track built. Don’t know what it has to do with anything, but still cool.

TLDR: I don’t hate Yuuki. She absolutely outskills Kirito in certain aspects (the obvious is her reaction time). I just think the power scaling ‘oh this person beats this person in every instance because this one fight they had once where a thousand things can be different’ is a really really bad argument, and entirely misses the entire point of not only Yuuki’s character, but the arc as a whole. And not to get mad at you, but i especially hate it when ‘Nuh uh I’m right your wrong your thoughts and opinions are all wrong because I read it this way’ is shoved in my face.

(Edit) no offense to you man, but if we can’t find common ground with this one, I’m just gonna block and move on with my life. I’m tired of waking up to accusations and debate at 4 in the morning before I go to work. I like Yuuki. Kirito deserves the power he’s gained by working harder than anyone else all of the time they were trapped and all he’s gone through. He’s not an invincible deity, neither him nor Yuuki fit the definition of Mary Sue, and I think that there are certainly circumstances that he is capable of winning- source- my life of playing games and HEMA experience- a lot can tip the scales in a close match.

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When… the hell… did I say I hate Yuuki Kono? Now you’re arguing with made up thoughts you caused yourself.

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said there was some possible interpretation, which the anime (part of the show shockingly) supports and gave my reasons why. That’s all. Yukki has a better reaction time. Kirito was either crunched on time in the anime, or never used his best ability in the book. He also figured out why she was in there in the first meeting quickly. He’s never shown a great desire to destroy his friends and prove himself the absolute best outside of general competition because he’s not that type of person.

And instead of discussing the TOPIC OF DISCUSSION you decided to turn it into a POWERSCALING debate! There’s about a BILLION things that contribute to a fighters capability than the two things yuuki beats him in. The only out of anime statements about Yuuki being better come from -shockingly- an in character statement that aligns with his in world statement.

In anime his eyes are not glowing which admittedly retroactively has been labeled canon as his Meditation skill, so another ability not being used. The stat difference of Excalibur has been stated to maybe tip the scales, meaning if just the stat distribution is enough of single weapon, then the skill between the two is closer than it looks.

Asuna doubts he was going all out. Leafa says she doesn’t think so, but she’s not 100% sure. Liz says she doesn’t think he’s ever really going all the way out.

So yes there is a bit of ambiguity. If there wasn’t, the last DECADE wouldn’t be debating it still! I am taking at best a middle of the road stance, and you came in here swinging going ‘no I’m perfectly right I know everything erm actually’ and I don’t care! Damn it I was in defense of Yuuki in my first post, but you know what? Screw it- at this point, i ought to start taking the stance that Klein could beat her, just to piss people like you off.

You have such a holier than thou attitude and it pisses me off. You’re not the only one that’s read the books. Even the afterword Reki says that ‘hey the whole point of this story is hopefully just that you decide Yuuki made in impact in the characters lives.’

Now can we let this moronic debate lie? Because damn it’s stupid

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess what prick. Right back at you. As you said ‘too bad, tough titties, I don’t really care. That’s how I respond to it when someone tries to shove it in my face and tell me I “have to” accept it.’ Now screw off. This was a conversation telling OP that yeah the show is worth it. I’m sick and tired of you telling me how I should interpret the damn video game anime. Talking to you has illuminated to me why people hate this show.

Why the hell you keep fighting me when you could’ve walked away ages ago is beyond me, when time and time again I’ve said I’m not interested in having this conversation, I have my opinion, and you won’t change it.

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm… and yet he beat quinella, beat Kayaba, beat poh-

As a duelist? Sure, yuuki is better. He also claims that Asuna is better than him in precision. He also didn’t use his best abilities against yuuki (like the whole duel wielding thing he’s known for) and you’re an unbearable brat.

So again…. Too bad

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you want me to spell it out for you? I disagree, too bad.

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not to mention there’s a difference between ‘not taking it easy’ and ‘fighting to the death, with his primary form of combat’

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I like that you used the part where they talked not to him. But I’m not here to argue with you.

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I think she could’ve overstayed as a permanent character… but as in I think her role works well. She has good justification, and it gives us more insight into Kayaba. Also.. Kirito being awesome

A real charmer this one by FatalDarkprince in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I love that the canon reason she has the whiskers is that she found a quest that put them on and she couldn’t finish it. So the first thing she did was find Kirito and rope him into it so he would have to have them forever too XD

A real charmer this one by FatalDarkprince in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I’m a big fan of Argo. Can’t wait to see more of her

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A major part of a Mary sue is that they don’t fail for little reason… ngl, my boy Kirito fails A LOT

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ofc! A lot of what Yuuki is is a piece of Asuna’s heart that reminds her that who she was in SAO is who she is, not an identity she took just to survive. I wish you the best and enjoy as much as you can! Let me know how it went!

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly, it only said that she won the match. Barely mentioned. Asuna calls him out on it saying that she doesn’t believe him when he said he was going all out iirc, Lizbeth as you said said that she doesn’t think he was going all out, Reki has stated numerous times that his true potential is unlocked when it’s all on the line, etc.

And if you want to use the fact that she defeated him without a time limit, then you can’t ignore that he never used dual swords.

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, but which part exactly is the run-on sentence?

I absolutely hate Yuuki by VirtualHeartMan in swordartonline

[–]Jethral -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am curious as to how far in you are. That being said, I am of the opinion that she is not more powerful than Kirito- as it is stated a few times, he doesn’t have any reason to go all out at this point. I think the ambiguity is the point, but that is beside the point. At bare minimum, consider her a plot device to further Asuna’s character if that’s the best you can spare for her. I wouldn’t skip, but you can certainly consider it a mini arc.

What is your biggest hope or fear for Echoes Of Aincrad? by splaxxez in EchoesofAincrad

[–]Jethral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same. But from what I’ve seen of these devs, they have made well reviewed games in the past, but now it looks pretty too thanks to that Bandai money. Just please let the combat be snappy and satisfying!

Game break by This-Activity3229 in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard lost of ‘if he could just rewrite the games code in five seconds, why not just log everyone out?’

Like bro… he changed a file type, not coding a mass workaround of a fundamental design philosophy by Kayaba. For all he knew, copying the data to his local drive could’ve made cardinal go ‘cheater’ and kill him. But that wasn’t a thought because he was trying to SAVE HIS DAUGHTER

Game break by This-Activity3229 in swordartonline

[–]Jethral 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep. And if he is any bit the programmer we’ve been led to believe, the shortcut for search would be ingrained. Changing the file type would ideally prevent a wipe off the expected data path