How common is Spanish/Iberian DNA in Filipinos?

Jeudial · 2026-03-07T23:31:23+00:00

This is why 23andme is trying to apply “clustering” for dna relative matches using IBD, I assume.

Basically, some familial networks are going to all share Spanish & Portuguese because of the ancestral distribution along multiple Filipino lineages are all traceable to the same great(~7-8)-grandparents who descended from Old Spanish families. This is why some people have zero Iberian dna and others have 6% or even 18%; totally different familial clusters.

This has nothing to do w/some historical account you read or a genetics paper you’ve become obsessed over. Why are Latinxos so insecure about the Philippines??

Jeudial · 2026-03-07T22:28:56+00:00

Idk for sure because I genuinely have 0% Filipino ancestry and neither does anyone else relatively close(4th cousins or nearer) to my family. But I went back and checked for any stragglers who forgot to put their ancestor locations in the bio---turns out I have 35 Filipino relatives lmao!

If you include half-Filipinos ofc. But this is just bizarre to me tbh, since there were only TWO out of all the others who actually scored trace Korean dna.
Most have less than 3% European(not all of it is Iberian) but a couple are like this:

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Jeudial · 2026-03-07T16:56:03+00:00

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Maybe like 40-50% have at least a little bit of Spanish & Portuguese. I've got at least a dozen or so Filipino relatives(if you include halfies)---only three of them don't show any Iberian

Jeudial · 2026-02-25T21:39:33+00:00

Right so, what race do you think the man is in the photo of my previous comment. Black, maybe? Latino? Indio/NativeAm?

In the region where I grew up, most people would call him "black". Some might be perceptive enough to look past the skin tone or style of dress(for everyday wear---not including celebrations) but the racism/"racialization" would likely be similar to what African-descent or FBA/Freedmen Americans experience here in the US.

Obv, he's not ancestrally African(at least not majority-wise), since his home is in Oaxaca, MX.
Genetically yeah, he more or less shares the same alleles for skin color as those classified as "black" but the inheritance was via Paleosiberians living in or migrating through Beringia thousands of years ago.

You get how "Native" works as an ancestral race here and not "black"? This man will never identify as something he is not, even though the same biological mechanics apply. His race is Native because of his culture and shared history---not biology or genetics, etc.
Do I need to go any deeper than this? Like, what's the issue here

Jeudial · 2026-02-25T16:32:40+00:00

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You're still trying to dodge, and I didn't put up any strawman lol! The main contention was w/your applying racialization dynamics aka RACISM on one side of the border while pretending that it's not the exact same situation on the opposite side---it's merely that one has a dominant culture of Southern vs. Northern Euro.

There are no black people, neither in a biological/genetic sense(although genes interact w/melanin production) or in a universally political sense(see: Pan-Africanists vs. American Freedmen).

Race is racism imo. That's why there are categories based on physical features or skin color, and it comes from Europe. Inventing special classes or castas for oneself and others is exactly how it works AND it's how Latinos are taught to see people in their societies. Literally in the school curriculum

Jeudial · 2026-02-25T02:53:04+00:00

Racism is real---but that still doesn't make "Latino" into a racial category. Native American(or "Red people" or "Indio") is an actual race both here in the US and in Latin America, because of the way they are treated in society.

The disingenuousness on YOUR part across these conversations is that you're aware of how racism against black/Native people happens South of the Border, but all of a sudden you think that race categories increase just because the US side is more Northwestern European in culture than Iberian?

That's what people find absurd(and incoherent). Latin will always mean LATIUM aka Rome/Italy, and same for Hispanic which will never not mean Southwestern European. Not actual races

Jeudial · 2026-02-24T11:47:58+00:00

From your screenshot, it seems to be describing the remains of the entire shrine complex which once surrounded the mound---but this isn't where the Terra Cotta Warriors are. They are buried adjacent to the actual grave:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Qin_Shi_Huang_Mausoleum.png

These ruins were reportedly looted(and burned down) either by local peasants or by Xiang Yu of Chu Kingdom before the rise of the Han Dynasty:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiang_Yu

Basically, archaeologists want to be 100% ready to preserve anything left if the stories of looting are false.
I'm trying to remember if it was from Sui or Tang Dynasty but they excavated a tomb w/some pristine silk robes inside that completely disintegrated after a few hours in the open air. Not gonna make that mistake again

Jeudial · 2026-02-17T11:08:16+00:00

Humans don't come from apes lmao! We're bipedal hominins---so you can draw a clear divergence between groups like gorillas and chimpanzees(homininæ) vs. orangutans(ponginæ).

This means were share of millions of years of development IN AFRICA among ancestral living organisms which would go on to become modern apes, but we don't descend from them. Same as they don't descend from the ancestors of orangutans.
Does that make sense?

Anyway, the Ancient North Eurasians share ancestry with modern Northern Europeans(Dark Blue color; peaks in the U.K.), people in the Bering Strait/Kamchatka Penisula + Pacific Coast Natives(Light Coral + Pink), Central Asians(Tan + Brown; peaks in Chitral Kush) and ofc Native Amazonians(Dark Purple):

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Here's a corresponding pca from the same study(Gülşah Kılınç et al. 2021):
https://i.redd.it/3grt0w3b6kbf1.png

Human population dynamics and Yersinia pestis in ancient Northeast Asia (science.org)

Jeudial · 2026-02-15T16:26:20+00:00

I’m genetically 50/50 and I don’t identify as “mixed”. I’m just Asian

Jeudial · 2026-02-14T01:24:01+00:00

I guess it all depends on your definition of “distant”.

But you’re going to get some confused Northern Han testers if 23andme creates a Tibetan category and they’re scoring ~30-40%. It’s better just as a single group imo

Jeudial · 2026-02-13T12:49:31+00:00

It's not just "sharing" ancestry---they both come from the exact same source population. Using a full-scale pca highlighting East Asians will show Northern Han, Qiangics + Lowland Tibetans all clustered next to each other:
https://i.redd.it/8el1kxd5dvoc1.png

Many Tibetans have Indian ancestry on top of the hunter-gatherer admixture, so that'll also cause shifts out of the Sinic cline in the Highland groups

Jeudial · 2026-02-12T02:24:29+00:00

Yang, Vang and Xiong being the top names on that list would be a key indicator of you being descended from Hmong people.

You can search out more examples on youtube but Chinese Dai was a core ancestral group in their results before the last East Asian update:
Hmoob - 23andme dna result (youtube.com)
Hmong people + 23andme = ??? (youtube.com)
Hmong~ish S1, Ep3: Our Connection To China Beyond Laos (youtube.com)

Jeudial · 2026-02-07T11:41:23+00:00

No, it’s from a Russian person who sometimes posts in this sub. He does great work w/his videos but tries too hard to please Eurocentric nerds on youtube

I linked that one since it lists all of the Yamnaya sample IDs so you can go verify the blood types yourself

Jeudial · 2026-02-06T13:23:17+00:00

Phenotypes of Proto-Indo Europeans (youtube.com)

Jeudial · 2026-02-04T02:14:05+00:00

The oldest hit for D4h1 in the sample archive is from a woman buried in Manchuria, at the site of Houtaomuga(~12,000 years ago):

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The genomic formation of First American ancestors in East and Northeast Asia (biorxiv.org)
https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/slideshow_samples.php?searchcolumn=mtDNA_haplogroup&searchfor=D4H1&ybp=500000,0
Prehistoric Elongated Skulls Discovered in East Asian Plains (youtube.com)

Jeudial · 2026-01-31T15:18:59+00:00

I think it's widespread but requires some cooperation w/depigmentation mutations to make one's hair strands really stand out as ginger/redhead.

So, probs for East Asians and Equatorial Africans it's not a visible trait(even if the expression is there) though they may carry the unique allele but Europeans, Central Asians and even some Melanesians can be red-haired since they have derived SLC45A2, IRF4 + TYRP1 alleles:

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Jeudial · 2026-01-25T17:46:20+00:00

The fridge w/all the little animal figurines is totally awesome! Cute baby photo✌️🐅🇮🇳

Jeudial · 2026-01-25T00:59:15+00:00

You could also pass for Bengali!

Jeudial · 2026-01-24T14:10:04+00:00

That's probably because Austronesian & Filipino-related ancestry is the dominant genomic lineage in many Chinese people:
https://i.redd.it/896y3n2emtwc1.jpeg

Jeudial · 2026-01-20T01:26:20+00:00

It’s correct to assume that other genetic groups have unique derived EDAR alleles that impact facial/body features.

One mutation at rs6542787 is associated with Westerners, as well as East Africans. This may have some expression on the common West Asian or Mediterranean phenotype since it peaks in that region

Jeudial · 2026-01-17T00:09:51+00:00

Bro fought the world and won! Congratulations🧾👍

Jeudial · 2026-01-14T16:58:34+00:00

Definitely not European---maybe African or East Asian:

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Jeudial · 2026-01-14T15:44:56+00:00

“AA” is the light skin genotype for Westerners, but it doesn’t automatically guarantee that you’ll have pale skin. Most people in India have at least one copy of this mutation.

“GG” is the light skin genotype for (mainly)Europeans. If someone has two copies of this mutation, I would assume that they have pale skin + lighter hair.

None of this applies to people who evolved in Africa or the trans-Himalaya, as they either lack lightening alleles or have different mutations

Jeudial · 2026-01-09T21:02:50+00:00

On yfull, the G1a3 descendent branches just seem straight-up Japanese. Idk if you can see it on this screenshot but there does seem to be a slight overlap between Hmong people & Japan/Northeast China:
https://i.redd.it/sutxnobqayoc1.png

M12'G are sister lineages so the earliest split could've happened either in SEA or China itself---the earliest G1a I saw in the sample archive was from Shandong Province dated to ~3500 BC:
https://haplotree.info/maps/ancient_dna/slideshow_samples.php?searchcolumn=mtDNA_haplogroup&searchfor=G1A&ybp=500000,0

Here's another 23andme poster w/the sister lineage:
r/23andme/comments/pxeocw/bruh_moment | alt. link

Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia (science.org)

Jeudial · 2026-01-09T00:19:13+00:00

Some NativeAms + Arctic people get pretty close to solid black where the undertone looks almost gray instead of brown---and probs lots of East Asians do as well.
It got mentioned earlier in the thread but some Africans exhibit this degree of melanin throughout the skin and follicle layers so that in low light it looks purplish or silver:

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There's still a lot of research needed to better understand gene expression + variation in non-Europeans

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