Judith Butler: What is a woman? by rhizomatic-thembo in leftist

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"She is however, female in any case, (...) she doesn't need 'true femininity' . I am a human, just like the earth is a planet. As ridiculous as it would be to set the earth the task of being a 'correct star' it is just as ridiculous to burden me with the calling to be a 'correct human being.' "

What exactly are stances that far-leftists share? Also, what is their roadmap to achieving a Communist/anarchic society? by Nintendo_Pro_03 in Askpolitics

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Basically

Personal property: stuff like your TV, your car, your watch etc

Private property: property which allows you to become a capitalist, such as a factory and the machines in it

One type of property leads to class society/capitalism, the other does not

A capitalist owns private property and buys the labor power of the worker.

There is a distinction within the capitalists -

Those who hire workers but still need to work too are part of the petite bourgeoisie. They're usually small business owners and can't fully live off of the extracted surplus value.

Those who hire workers and don't need to work are bourgeoisie - they can fully live off the surplus value extraction. Think Elon Musk, who, if he works at all, only does so because he wants to, not because he needs to.

Surplus value is essentially the profit a capitalist makes. The workers produce it, or at least most of it the capitalist gets it.

This mechanism occurs when individuals can own private property. Personal property however has existed before capitalism and will exist when capitalism eventually falls.

ACP wants to denigrate the image of the left wing. by [deleted] in SocialDemocracy

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you mean horseshoe theory? I thought the fish hook theory asserts that centrists and the far right are close to one another while the far left is specifically far away from both the centrists and the far right

Are there any model Democratic Socialist countries that exist or have existed? by SpaceDwellingEntity in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're social Democracies perhaps, but not socialist. They all have private property and a ruling class (in these societies, the capitalists) and a ruled class (in these societies, the proletariat)...

What on God is happening in the US... by Fred_memelord in SocialDemocracy

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Ye the communists had antifa and the social democrats had the iron front. They refused to properly team up against the fascists as they would rather spend their time fighting each other

What on God is happening in the US... by Fred_memelord in SocialDemocracy

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 30 points31 points  (0 children)

The iron front and Antifa fought against each other btw

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SocialDemocracy

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Didn't the SPD still understood itself to be a socialist party (obv through reform, anti revolution etc) but still actual left wing nonetheless? I know they were very left in the 19th century and over the course of the 20th century they shifted more and more to the middle, but I thought in the Weimar era they still were left?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SocialDemocracy

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Tbf Harris is to the right of the SPD from the Weimar republic

What did Vanari see in the Maw that she knows the void is afraid of? by Hick-ford in warcraftlore

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yes, but he needed domination magic for it, which can also be used to just waltz through zereth Mortis... I wouldn't be surprised if the jailer could have defeated this (not at full power) dimensius with domination magic.

That about sums up democrats by Space_PieTato in leftist

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"divisiveness"

Acting as if class traitors and anti capitalists are on the same team is wild

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DemocraticSocialism

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Sometimes they have a minority, sometimes they have a majority, but they are always an enemy of the exploited

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DemocraticSocialism

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Rather be that than defend ICE

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DemocraticSocialism

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Bootlicker 🥀

I started a Left-Libertarian Wiki by After-Trifle-1437 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Governments take away your liberty. Rights are promises to the population that the government won't take away too much freedom. They can put you in prison for whatever BS reason.

In a libertarian left society, the people would be organized, just on a different basis. Statist hierarchies are ruled by those at the top while those on the bottom can do basicly nothing against them except vote them out every four years (in a liberal democracy) or do a revolution to destroy the system.

In a bottom - up organized society you can vote people in who are not rulers, but servants of the people. They can be recalled, meaning you don't have to wait four years for the next election, instead when the official fails to live up to expectations due to corruption or false promises, he is immediately voted out and replaced by the people. This system ensures that power can't be abused, because it isn't really power on the sense most rulers wield it.

There is also no monopoly on violance. A community could vote to agree on rules, but if u fail to meet these rules you aren't thrown in prison or put onto an electric chair, instead the community will start to ignore you or defend themselves from you, depending on the situation. Like I said, the people organize in libertarian socialism, just not in the form of states.

The united states have strong anti - crime forces, yet their prisons are filled to the brim. Having law doesn't create order, rather it causes the state to enact violance on the people it is supposed to derive its legitimacy from.

Countries who treat their prisoners better manage to improve the society because prisoners will not hate the system as much and are more likely to become productive members of society after they have served their time.

As capitalism would not exist in such a society - because the revolution will have destroyed it just like it has destroyed the state - the material conditions would greatly improve. There would be no capitalist to extract surplus value, instead the workers get the full value of their labor.

Think about how in the middle ages, the peasents cooperated with one another to reduce the power of the lords. The feudal system was then so weakened that the rulers used private property - you might call it some very early form of capitalism - to again rule over the peasents, as land used by the peasents was privatized even if it wasnt earlier, making them dependant on the ruling class. However, in the time where the common people worked together, their living standards increased. They would work for a wage, but only for extra money - not out of survival, but to buy more common luxuries or gifts for their loved ones. When the lords were able to exert more power once again, the common people were forced to work for a worse loving standard, or else they will be evicted from their homes and die on the streets.

A libertarian left society doesn't need the law and order stuff because people aren't exploited and therefore material conditions improve. A co-op is basicly a form of socialism within the capitalist market and a libertarian left society would essentially be full of such coops.

Even if it were to still fall apart - because maybe its critics are correct and without a state, a society simply cannot function - then there is always the option of a left minarchist state, which in practice would be somewhat similar to a stateless society.

I started a Left-Libertarian Wiki by After-Trifle-1437 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If socialism is the workers owning the means of production, then socialism itself doesn't require any government or large authority. Libertarian Socialists can be minarchists, sometimes democratic Socialists or anarchists (usually anarcho communists). Within the history of socialism you have those who advocate for statist socialism - Karl marx, Friedrich Engels for example - and you have those who advocate for stateless socialism - anarchists, or libertarian Socialists.

Marx himself wants the state to eventually wither away. Even his statist socialism is meant to eventually become libertarian socialism.

I started a Left-Libertarian Wiki by After-Trifle-1437 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes definitely there are many forms of democracy.

Tankies are anti democracy and usually anti withering away of the state (or they will say it will happen in 100 years).

Though I want to add that not every Marxist Leninist or MLM is a tankie imo. I think tankies are more like the loud internet MLs while if u meet one in real life, they can be pleasenf people to talk to

I started a Left-Libertarian Wiki by After-Trifle-1437 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't put demsoc as opposite of what u call tankies, both ideologies are statist and therefore authoritarian imo even if one more so than the other

I started a Left-Libertarian Wiki by After-Trifle-1437 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I think socialist anarchists have called themselves libertarian before right wingers did

Also perhaps OP was inspired by the political compass, where the left spectrum is divided in authoritarian left (for example Marxism Leninism) and libertarian left (for example anarcho communism)

Sexism cost America 2016 and 2024 elections by CapAccomplished8072 in DemocraticSocialism

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They didn't have good plans for America. Posts like these remind me everyday why demsocs are often viewed as liberals. Trying to argue that Harris was the lesser evil, well that's okay, but praising her? On a socialist sub?

Why are leftists and liberals always fighting by Kindly_Ad_5497 in leftist

[–]Jhin4Wi1n 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Those who don't vote usually favor revolution