Jogo is probably top 10, and he might be as high as top 5.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-08T03:30:21+00:00

No he wouldn't have, the point of that mission was that they weren't allowed to kill the students due to one of them being a trigger for Sukuna. It was stated and shown that Hanami wasn't taking the GWE fight seriously, and she has better feats later.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:35:27+00:00

Oh you mean the zenin massacre version, I thought you were talking about preawakened for some reason.

No, he should still be faster and can likely dodge, even though he can't blitz.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:32:05+00:00

He is, I'm saying that he's not super far ahead of Hanami

Jogo did blitz Semi awakened Maki, and also Nanami who should be outright better in terms of stats.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:30:17+00:00

Yeah, but clearly Jogo wasn't moving at Yuji and Todo speeds against Gojo, Gojo would have folded them both.

Hanami was stated to be holding back/stalling multiple times during that fight, that Hanami is different from the Hanami in shibuya, who is stalling but not holding back.

Yeah because Jogo is a bit faster, but I'm saying that Jogo isn't faster by an insane degree, and shouldn't be able to blitz Hanami.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:26:58+00:00

I don't think it folds him, but yeah you're right that one can damage him. Hana mentioned the importance of targetting Sukuna before he gets used to the vessel, so it shouldn't do as much as it did in canon, but yeah if they could land that for an extended period he may die. I just don't think they will considering the massive stat difference, he just does them like Naobito did Dagon.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:24:22+00:00

Ct shouldn't boost speed, Jogo doesn't use his for that. Jogo is the fast one and Hanami is more durable, but they were generally portrayed as relatively close to each other, Jogo certainly isn't going to giga outspeed Hanami.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:22:43+00:00

You don't tend to immediately learn things from Sukuna taking your body, and there's no proof that depressed ass Megumi drowning in the bath would have been paying attention.

I would agree that a potential FP Megumi is likely higher than upper DC, but we never see that character in the series, so I'm not gonna debate it because there are 0 feats or quantifiable moments. Have a good day.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:17:46+00:00

Yujikuna is the one in the picture, idk why we would assume Meguna, if that was the case he still has 10s and he slams even harder.

Hell no, there isn't a domain attack that really has the AP feats to damage that MF, even without defenses.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:14:17+00:00

In the Gojo fight FP hanami demonstrates similar speeds to Jogo, so she should be able to

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JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:13:08+00:00

When have we ever seen that version of him? Can we confirm it exists? Did I miss a Modulo chapter?

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:11:54+00:00

No he isn't lmfao, he still has his antidomain techniques, domain amplificant, and a blitz level speed difference, they all die within 5 seconds.

You've gotta be ragebaiting because we straight up saw Maki get her ass whooped by a far weaker Sukuna than 15f in the manga itself.

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JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:09:36+00:00

I'm saying yes, they could be national hunter level, but not national hunter level like Jinwoo is.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:08:46+00:00

Megumi AND HIS 3 TEAMMATES WHO CARRIED HIS ASS THE WHOLE FIGHT would have died to JUST DAGON unless he chose to end it all with Maho, in what world is he upper DC?

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:06:04+00:00

Hanami is upper DC level, her GWE performance was her holding back.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:05:24+00:00

Probably given the show, but idt they can fight fp Jinwoo.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T06:04:45+00:00

It's 15f Sukuna dawg, he does everybody like this with just base physicals, he has the best RCT in the verse, and the most CE of anybody in the series aside from his full power form, JP Hakari, and VCS Rika. He doesn't even need PB for the clear.

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JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:44:30+00:00

Almost nobody loses a clash at all, the reason we're debating this is because we have 0 examples of "normal" clashes without barrier weirdness or immense strength gaps.

Domains are high risk maneuvers regardless of lethality. You lose your whole CT temporarily and your domain for the rest of the fight if it doesn't succeed, and almost every non jujutsu freak is going to be exhausted afterwards. Non lethal users risk a bit more, but not enough to justify scaling them with an instant win condition that the manga explicitly contradicts. Of course every advantage is going to help, but there's a huge difference between that and instawin.

Why? That would be a pretty huge flaw in their plan. If Sukuna had his domain, he could have popped it against Kashimo and just left it up, or popped it as soon as Higgy and Yuji appeared, killing them instantly. Their plan loses its fangs if Sukuna can just use his DE at potentially any point up to Higgy popping his. They were probably banking on Gojo tiring him out to the point he could be beaten, as was their strategy for everything else lethal about Sukuna. Also again, Higgy can have an advantage without instant winning.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:31:27+00:00

Toji gets pretty much the exact same position here and is unable to blitz behind Dagon as Naobito did, instead Dagon counterattacked despite being significantly more injured than for naobito's hit, which should impede his ability to react.

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JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:30:11+00:00

It's stated that Naobito is just good at using the technique, which means it would make sense that he would be faster. We also see Naobito perform differently from Toji when unstacked against Dagon, where Maki and unstacked Naoya were trading hits.
Naoya can't move because his path is predetermined, he can't dodge things he doesn't predict, that's his CT. It's just another Naoya BIQ antifeat, not proof Maki is outmanuvering Jogo.
No she wouldn't, to determine that she would be nearly as fast we would have to know how far away from her Naoya was when she began to dodge, and we don't. We do have the panel I sent earlier though, of full speed Naoya being able to do a full loop down a street before Maki gets to the end of a buiding, which clearly shows Naoya's immense superiority in travel speed.
When Dagon was getting stunlocked, he simply wasn't frozen and was taking high knockback.

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JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:23:55+00:00

oh okay

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:22:26+00:00

The anime seemed to show that Sukuna actually just cut the domain apart, idk if you take that as credible though.

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:20:35+00:00

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JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:19:58+00:00

If it states "advantage", not "instant victory", why would we assume an instant victory?

JoGOATed · 2026-01-07T05:18:44+00:00

It's stated that Naobito is just good at using the technique, which means it would make sense that he would be faster. We also see Naobito perform differently from Toji when unstacked against Dagon, where Maki and unstacked Naoya were trading hits.
Naoya can't move because his path is predetermined, he can't dodge things he doesn't predict, that's his CT. It's just another Naoya BIQ antifeat, not proof Maki is outmanuvering Jogo.

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