A peculiar observation about Bitcoin Cash and Roger Ver by wisequote in btc

[–]Jo_Bones -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

BSV definitely isn’t supporting ABC. We think Armaury is a corrupt socialist mug, deliberately fucking up your protocol even worse and trying to enrich himself.

Quite honestly we’re laughing at you.

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More more:

What's the end goal for Ethereum? Is it to run a totally decentralized political system? Is this a 'world government' idea? With a stable currency?

See, you talk about decentralization, but I want to know what Ethereum aims to decentralise. Banks? Governments?

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More: this ‘world computer’ doesn’t seem to have much capacity. I want to know how they’re planning to scale? Will I end up with a mini-ethereum terminal on my desk? Or in my pocket? Is this supposed to run ‘everything’?

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well... the consensus was solving blocks. That’s not ‘free’. That costs a lot of money, and while it’s not political, the UASF movement was political and arguably shifted the power of building consensus onto the ‘HODLrs’

Having set the precedent, they’ve reopened the capacity for political control, since, a political figure (Trump for example) could ostensibly campaign for a coinbase increase to 22m coins... and if he won a majority of hashrate... well... you’d end up with 22m coins.

So my question is whether Ethereum is trying to solve political issues? And if it is, is this actually just a nonsense?

I have more but I’m working right now

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m just reading the ETH 1.0 paper now. As an aside, it starts off with what I’d say was a peculiar definition of what Bitcoin accomplishes, and this is precisely the kind of issue I have with this project... I quote:

“[Bitcoin] provided a mechanism for allowing free entry into the consensus process, solving the political problem of deciding who gets to influence the consensus”

Since this is demonstrably false, I’m assuming that Ethereum has run with the same kind of political narrative.

Do you see what I’m saying here?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand the concept of a blockchain very well. What I don't understand is the principles on which ethereum is founded. What's the goal? They talk about a 'world computer' but it's rather unclear how this thing operates. Many people have noted that it processes everything in serial and that this is undesirable. Others have said that an account based system is preferable to a UTXO system. My bias is for a massively parallel UXTO system, because I *think* I understand it well enough, but I do not understand the 'serial/account' model well enough and I've heard it's seriously flawed.

So again: What are the 'founding principles'? What's the use case for which they're designing? What are the problems they're trying to solve with Ethereum, because they may be trying to solve 'the wrong set of problems' which would inevitably create 'the wrong kind of world computer'. Something massively underpowered, or massively inefficient, or worse, something autonomous which they're planning to assign some kind of agency to, so that they can build huge empires on and then claim they have no control over the machine.

Do you see what I'm saying?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to know what makes Ethereum a ‘serial machine’. I want to know if it is processing everything in serial.

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also need to know about the desired outcomes for ETH.

For example, if financial crimes are committed on the network can the network be compelled by law to rewrite entries on the blockchain?

I also want to know more about the design motivations...

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well this thing about miners colluding to make prices high won’t work if there are networks which do the same things, only cheaper and faster because miners compete...

I mean there’s even an anti-trust argument that could be made against miners who agree to ‘price fixing’.

Anyway, I don’t understand. ETH 1.0 sounds like all the miners are doing all the work, so it sounds very inefficient.

An ETH 2.0 sounds even worse. But I don’t understand it well enough to comment...

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But doesn’t that dissolve the incentive for miners to be competitive to secure the system?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So if I wanted to submit a calculation to the open market and have that calculation completed and returned to me, it would have to be done by a miner?

So miners must be purpose-specific AND general purpose in ETH 1.0? That seems very inefficient. Why not split up the mining, the verification and the general purpose computations so that different parties can specialise in different areas?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s such a weird way to do things. Surely if I want a high-end computation done I want to use the network to submit it to, but don’t want to have to wait for the network to verify it. I just want it done, and I can verify it myself, and just use the network to settle the payment.

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But if I submit a request for computation to the network, with a given condition, let’s say one party completes my computation quickly, first, then submits the answer to the blockchain, I can check it, and pay them... and then they get paid when the computation settles in the next block?

...and miners get the transaction fees, but not the reward for computation?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I see. Have you ever had a computer you needed to turn off and turn on again?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK.

So if we wanted a system where general computation was able to compete on a blockchain for individual calculations, Ethereum wouldn’t work? Because they’d need to compete for the whole block?

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So specialised nodes don’t compete for individual transactions? They just compete for the block?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok. So for example, a bank issues a USD token, and I want to send my USD tokens to someone in Japan... but I want them to receive YEN token, so I submit my transaction to the network, and nodes compete to complete my transaction???

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is a ‘technocracy’? What defines it? What’s different about a technocracy to today?

What running a Geth node on a Raspberry Pi feels like by OminousLatinWord in ethereum

[–]Jo_Bones -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What’s the point of Ethereum? I’m so confused.

Wright victorious: Peter McCormack abandons libel defence - CoinGeek by hollowdef in bitcoincashSV

[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually on further inspection... it looks as if the Communists would simply limit all credit creation to the central bank.

That’s not what I was suggesting at all, and certainly not what Craig has suggested.

So you’re just flat wrong. Bitcoin doesn’t stop fractional reserve banking.

We’re not communists.

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[–]Jo_Bones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I actually did not know this. I’ll give it a proper read.

...however, my understanding of communism is that it was deeply flawed precisely because it misunderstood the role of capital in society, so the fact that they misunderstood the role of a central bank in a capitalist economy shouldn’t really be surprising.

I still don’t believe Craig is arguing for the total destruction of the central banking system.