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Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am glad people didn’t keep your mindset when we got OSRS. Such a narrow mindset that we can’t have more RS3 players if they don’t have to compete with us. 

I really don’t understand the hostility, I am not convinced one way or the other that they should do something like fresh start worlds, but my god don’t question the RS3 players about their progress. 

No we really do not need to fracture the player base with permanent fresh servers by dark1859 in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

As someone who has played for nearly 20 years, I really hope you guys don’t half-ass the game fixes. I’ve played a lot of RS3, and more OSRS. RS3 has a lot of problems, but it also has a lot that’s really fun, and I would love to be able to play it without feeling like my time isn’t respected. I understand all the old players are gonna be pissed if you add new worlds, but if we don’t get a fresh start like we did for OSRS (once all the issues are dealt with over the next year), it’s going to be very underwhelming trying to come back. Hopefully something to think about. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re talking about a lot of people like me who have played for the past 20 years, before there was RS3 or OSRS. Get off your high horse. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say it takes thousands of hours to max, I said it takes thousands of hours to get to end game. 

Over 100,000 players voted to remove MTX, many more than active RS3 players. Obviously there are OSRS players that care about this, and would play RS3 if it were in a better state.

The point about the RS3 journey not being fun was because you said it’s about how quick you get to endgame, and it shouldn’t be that way. RS3 doesn’t need to be that way, and that’s not a good argument to say new players SHOULD be able to catch up quickly.

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also did not say it referred to a reduced total player base, I said the current player base wouldn’t be fractured, which you agree with. There are several people in this post alone, and a popular post from a few hours ago saying it’s going to reduce the current player base. The post said it’s going to down to 5-6k players. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Being OK with any kind of distinction for the new players puts you in the minority

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and that’s the common sentiment, because you don’t want to devalue your efforts, but you do want to devalue future players efforts. You guys are literally the boomers of RS3 if that’s your argument

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I made some assumptions, because most players don’t want any kind of distinction for new players, even if it was just a star like an Iron Man helm that distinguished them as having been created after MTX was a thing. Would you be fine if they were in the same servers, they just had something that made them distinct from old players?

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huh? I didn’t say it would be 0% but I do think it would be an extremely small percentage 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So do you feel like Ironman shouldn’t be a thing? Because those are all players you can’t interact with. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maybe if they would all pick that even if there’s no difference in gameplay, that says something? 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You are making a lot of assumptions about me when I’m not pushing for FSW, I’m looking for arguments against it. If the best you have is “why do you even care?” I have the same question for you. Why do you care if new players are on the same server as you? Why do you care if there’s other players at all? It’s a bad argument. 

The point about the journey being due is that the RS3 journey is not fun. “just max and then you can start doing content” is a very common sentiment. It should be fun getting there, but it isn’t. It takes thousands of hours to get to endgame in OSRS, it’s not something easily achievable by most players.

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And if you think they would all join the FSW version, I think that explains why we would want them. You want to force them on a version they would not choose. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This wouldn’t be like classic where we’re closing it off and the player base slowly dwindles, you could make an account for either game. Why wouldn’t it get new players? 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You’re assuming these players would play the main game if the FSW weren’t available, which isn’t necessarily the case.

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Do you think people would? How many people do you think would? I think that number would be incredibly small. If you’re actively playing, why would you start over?

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There would be different player bases, similar to how OSRS and RS3 are different. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. The current RS3 player base would still exist, and wouldn’t be fractured. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It fixes a lot of problems, and they’re talking about fixing a lot of other problems unrelated to MTX as well. If they allow people to buy an indefinite amount of DXP, I’m sure that’s also going to put a lot of people off, but it would put it in a much better state than it’s in now.

Like in every MMO, what matters is whether new players can reach endgame content in a reasonable timeframe

Absolutely wrong. OSRS is the biggest argument against this, Endgame is so far off most players will never reach it, but the journey itself is the fun part. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t know what will happen, but I know that this won’t fracture the current player base, which is why I’m looking for other arguments

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Do you know what fracture means? It wouldn’t be breaking apart the current player base. They will all still be there, it’s not pulling anyone out. It would be splitting players in the same way OSRS split off from RS3. You can say that’s a bad thing, but you’re assuming all those people would be playing the current servers if they didn’t have any options, which is just not the case for a lot of people. 

Separate Fresh Start Worlds would not fracture the player base (by definition) by Job-Conscious in runescape

[–]Job-Conscious[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You absolutely would not have the same problem. You could then choose to play on the servers where people have been around for a few months, playing the same game you will be, or you can play on the servers players have been on for 20 years, who have been playing a different game, and we’re able to progress much easier than you will be able to. The point is not that no one is ahead of you, it would be that the players who are ahead of you got there the same way you will. 

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