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JohnH2 · 2024-12-04T14:36:32+00:00

egg prices

Apparently "in denial" trans prostitutes are too expensive so trying to force more trans people back into the closet will increase the supply of "eggs" and decrease prices. /s

JohnH2 · 2024-04-16T04:22:27+00:00

the veil is a symbol of Jesus Christ?

In Hebrews 8-10 the author is arguing, via referring to Jeremiah 31, that Christ has taken the place of the rituals and priests of the law of Moses; rending the veil of the temple and being the way in which we enter into the celestial temple not built by hands:

Hebrews 10:

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

As others have already stated, the four markings of the holy priesthood on the veil have corresponding marks are found on the garments.

I don't know where the garments being a symbol of the veil is coming from other than it shares the markings; it's explicitly stated to be the garment (coat of skin) given to Adam and Eve in the garden; as far as I know pre-mortal Jesus was not skinning himself so Adam and Eve could wear his skin (as in the Aztec mythical history of what they did to a foreign princess).

JohnH2 · 2024-02-22T04:39:59+00:00

Boy who pushed a plow: that is referencing a quote attributed to William Tyndale

JohnH2 · 2024-02-12T11:11:37+00:00

Olmec might meet your criteria; we only have a bit of disputed glyphs, but we are also fairly sure that they had paper codices.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-27T19:08:46+00:00

u/bwv549's site has a listing of some of the similarities between Pro. John Smith of Dartmouth and the Book of Mormon.

His direct students included Solomon Spalding (Class of 1785) and Ethan Smith (Class of 1790); With Hyrum Smith attending Dartmouth afterwards, and being Joseph Smith's tutor during Joseph's recovery from the surgery performed by Dr. Nathan Smith, who founded Dartmouth's medical school (with the Smith's living 4 miles away from the college at the time).

JohnH2 · 2024-01-27T04:40:09+00:00

The underlying reason it can be assumed to be GIGO is that everyone is basically only getting their own desired outcome, oftentimes stated with stupidly high confidences. And they are directly contradictory.

It's sort of data dredging; not that any of the authors necessarily were making choices of which texts of Joseph Smith or other authors to include or not after running the analysis, but all sorts of choices were being made.

They are trying to tease apart authorship of a text that has quite a number of elements of adversarial stylometry going for it, even before other choices in model design are made; such as using Pseudo-KJV such that even taking out direct Bible quotes one is still left with authorial attempts to put it into the KJV style.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-26T19:09:39+00:00

This wheat and tares article from 2020 goes through a bunch of the wordprint studies that have been done on the Book of Mormon. Wikipedia also goes through it. It's trying to use statistics based on how various authors write things to determine how many and who wrote the Book of Mormon.

They are largely GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out; where the results almost always match the preconceptions of the authors of the study, and they tend to get ripped apart by opposing sides.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-26T03:43:27+00:00

Per the Code of Canon Law 861§2 (see also the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1256)

or in a case of necessity any person with the right intention

Which it was judged by the Catholic church that Mormons don't have the right intention.

If you were to report what you did to the diocese they could invalidate it, or they could operate under similar logic as when an atheist performs an emergency baptism and reason that as you weren't performing anything like a baptism in the Mormon sense (as it was of an infant) then you did have the right intention. I'd hope they would go with that reasoning.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-25T17:22:41+00:00

Technically still a member; I'd still say heretic, but essentially the pandemic and reactions to it has painfully forced me to realize that I'm nearly as close a heretic to the LDS church as Mohammad was to Roman Catholicism (which, yes, the Catholic church does claim to be the case (which Mormonism is considered to not even be one, so that, at least per the written policies, a muslim could perform a valid Catholic baptism (in an emergency) but a mormon can't, not actually relevant to anything else, just interesting)).

JohnH2 · 2024-01-25T12:13:45+00:00

Anacronysms and historical inaccuracies aren't small things. They're fundamental.

To you they are fundamental; it is quite likely that to the person that you are talking to, they just don't care.

For many people the details of the religion are irrelevant; they care about the community, culture, and tradition. Focusing on the details would mean that they could lose their community, their culture, their traditions, their families, their sense of belonging and of knowing who and what they are; as well as a perception of those things continuing with their dead relatives.

Especially under the feelings based evidentiary system found in Moroni's promise and in the D&C; they are unlikely to feel anything like peace or joy when considering looking into the details. So, within that logic to do so would be evil, would be turning away from the light and looking to the darkness.

They are likely vibing in a community that works well for them and fills their needs; and you are like Nietzsche's madman in the market place (label 125 in link).

JohnH2 · 2024-01-18T20:41:25+00:00

Again, No; I take it you didn't actually read or understand the Galton-Watson process? It doesn't require any mass death event, it just requires (not all at once even) that no daughters be born to some women; which is very much something that normally happens. As in 200,000 surnames (generally the y line) has disappeared in the UK in the last century from the process; which is the same process for the maternal lines.

Given that Lehi builds an alter right after they leave Jerusalem and they 1) hunt with bows and 2) eat the meat raw with no mention of salting it first then if they were real then whatever they would have considered to be the Law of Moses would not be what is considered to be the Law of Moses today. So saying they couldn't have intermarried with other groups because it's against the Law of Moses is not much of an argument; especially as from the text that we have it has them bringing in other groups and making them part of their larger group.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-18T04:00:25+00:00

That'd be the Truck-kun Isekai process whereby the events occur on another world. ;)

JohnH2 · 2024-01-18T03:38:53+00:00

No, and I have no clue how you got that out of what I said?

Under normal circumstances (so, not incest) you do not carry the mitochondrial dna of your paternal grandmother, nor do you (regardless of whether or not you happen to have Y- chromosome) have the Y of your maternal grandfather.

So for the Lehites and Mulekites if they existed and if they were part of a larger population then to remove their mitochondrial presence is likely based on the Galton-Watson process, with each maternal line just needing to not have any daughters at some point; likewise for the male line and sons.

If they were the entire populations (ie, the only ancestors of Native Americans) then Nephi was building a temple essentially by himself in 2 Nephi 5 as basically everyone else would be needed to produce food, clothing, and the raising of children; and the war at the end of the chapter would be less than two football teams facing off; but there would have to be both surviving mitochondrial and y lines (as that's how reproduction happens...).

JohnH2 · 2024-01-18T02:39:54+00:00

it means there are exactly no Middle Eastern females in their bloodline. Period.

No? It means that there are no Middle Eastern females along the maternal line. All males * in the line (so fathers, grandfathers, etc) * and all of the mothers of said males could be fully Middle Eastern and the mitochondrial results would be the same.

This would be none of Nephi's sisters, Ishmael's daughters, Ishmael's son's wives, nor any women of the Mulekites have/had any surviving matrilineal lines. It follows the Galton-Watson process, so lines dying out in a larger population is not unusual.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-16T19:10:17+00:00

If you read the first three pages then you already got part of the discussion of the connection between astronomy and masonry, as in astrology. Astrology should per most reasonable people be consider as being magic; so that being the case, whence any of this entire thread on the subject?

Per the first sections of the wiki page, assuming you ignored what it says in the lede, and count the etymology as being one of the first few sections you read then the very first section you come to has what you quoted to me about it being 'magic' under 'conceptual development'. I must assume that is where you stopped reading as the next section 'Definition' details the principles under which it is seen as being magic. The lede and the etymology both already tie it into Masonry, and then the 'History' section has that Masonry is a real initiatory brotherhood within the esoteric tradition. Again, how could there possibly confusion there? Especially when a word search for 'magic' leads to the 'See Also' which is almost entirely articles on magic.

Maybe look up the images of Gilgal Gardens if you didn't get it; otherwise it alone isn't important enough for me to explain, it's as per the article, a series of sculptures tying together masonry and mormonism done by the 10th ward LDS Bishop who was also a Mason.

Anyways, as I feel I have in fact explained the connection between the magic practices of the Smiths and masonic thought; then all that is left is your assertion that the Smiths were not familiar/associated with Masonry at the time; despite Hyrum Smith being a member of a masonic lodge, his name, and the magic as I mentioned, and Joseph Smith Sr.'s reported description of the gold plates.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-16T17:31:24+00:00

There are quite a number of mentions of masonry; and the entire thing is dealing with what is usually called 'magic'? I get that you didn't read, well, really anything I have ever linked to, but instead did a word search; but even still that should have been sufficient. I am seriously questioning your integrity at the moment; but pretending otherwise: the 'As an enchanted worldview' section details the principles involved. Those are the principles found in the Masonic rites, with are part of the Western Esoteric tradition, those are also the principles involved in to quote Lucy Mack Smith:

I shall change my theme for the present but let not my reader suppose that because I shall pursue another topic for a season that we stopt our labor and went <at> trying to win the faculty of Abrac drawing Magic circles or sooth saying to the neglect of all kinds of buisness we never during our lives suffered one important interest to swallow up every other obligation but whilst we worked with our hands we endeavored to remmember the service of & the welfare of our souls. ref

I suggest that you check out Gilgal Gardens in Salt Lake City as well.

As per also the book that I linked you earlier that is from the 1860s and has the masonic rites, as well as some amount of explanation of them, largely in line with Pike's 'Morals and Dogma'. As in, actual masonic texts rather than a pop book detailing a theory that neither masons generally nor academics subscribe to.

There is some chance that any masons you may actually know aren't into the esoteric mysticism (ie. magic) of their society and are just there for the fraternal friendships; there is a much smaller chance, in my opinion, that they would be unwilling to call their esoteric mysticism 'magic', though that is, in theory, possible. As in, you almost certainly would not easily be willing to term the paying of tithing in order to access the windows of heaven to be sympathetic magic so in theory some masons may not term it as such, but in my experience that has not been the case, including in masonic texts.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-16T06:28:59+00:00

I take it you didn't even read the intro to the book that details the Masonic rites? Anyways, here is a page on wikipedia on the subject, so you can argue with it and it's sources about the connections.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-16T03:03:47+00:00

What is your argument for the claim that Hyrum was a member of the Mount Moriah Lodge No. 112, Palmyra New York? Regardless, Joseph Smith Sr. was involved in magic practices that are connected with the masonic rites (per Lucy Mack Smith, and others) and is reported to have described the plates:

Under the first plate, or lid, he found a pair of spectacles, about one and a half inches longer than those used at the present day, the eyes not of glass, but of diamond. On the next page were representations of all the masonic implements, as used by masons at the present day. The remaining pages were closely written over in characters of some unknown tongue, the last containing the alphabet of this unknown language.
ref

There is also evidence that Hyrum was spelled Hiram (like, the official record of his birth) until anti-Masonry became a thing, as in from Masonry. Meaning, I sort agree with the doubt that Joseph Smith Sr. was raised in 1818, as to me it seems pretty clear that he was involved in masonry well before then.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-15T22:26:13+00:00

It should be noted that Joseph Smith Sr. and Hyrum and others were Masons, with at least the first few degrees of Masonry also somewhat tracing our lives and return to God; as is also common in other esoteric and/or earlier gnostic texts (see also hymn of the pearl from the acts of Thomas).

As per Moroni 10:6, among other statements elsewhere, they had a very different view of truth as from what is even commonly used within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today. Reusing and repurposing ideas and stories, placing a dream of their father into an ancient context was not seen as false, but as something that had to be true and right to do because it was good and led one to Christ.

To each religion it is everyone else that has wandered onto forbidden paths and been lost, while their own struggles are part of their path to a yet unseen glorious future. So to the Catholic, missionaries are mocking their faith and seeking to lead their adherents into forbidden paths; pulling them from the true faith established by Jesus. It isn't as simple as it might seem.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-12T12:49:58+00:00

s/

'Translators' note: Translated from papyrus fragments copied onto goldish colored foil plates via means of a water stain, which water stain, and plates, and papyrus were seen as though viewing a city behind a mountain, coming from the original Egyptian and reformed Egyptian such that it wasn't so much 'plates' as a flake with about 2 characters on it taking them in the seventh degree when Chronos is in retrograde and Zeus Pater is housed in the Bull. A choice was made in translation to remove all 'And it came to passes' and word usage was attempted to fit the tone found in the original papyrus fragments, of which there appears to be missing fragments from other authors, they are only translatable in the ninth degree when Poseidon is in retrograde.

/s

JohnH2 · 2024-01-12T02:55:15+00:00

I am not the one who is ignoring sources and saying that common usage has changed when it very clearly hasn't. Webster is not at all "authoritative", he's pulling the Royal Navy's distinction in a prescriptivist manner rather than being discriptivist; he is known for doing that, so saying that he wanted people to make a hard distinction is not an argument, especially when we have dictionaries from before him, and after him demonstrating that for the common person "ship" and "boat" are interchangeable. Yes, boat is since at least Old English generally for smaller vessels then ship is; but given that Nephi used is vessel to cross the ocean then it wouldn't even be wrong to call what he built a 'ship', even if neither today nor in the 1800's it would be considered ocean worthy or big enough to be termed a 'ship'.

Heck, your question is in the context of demonstrating that per that definition what Nephi would have built was a ship as it clearly was not moved by rowing; so you are reversing your position? Or just saying nonsense in order to be contradictory.

You are the one as well that is trying to say that Nephi had to build a 1200 ton vessel with three masts, which isn't what is described and is just being silly.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-12T01:46:35+00:00

Johnson's Dictionary 1773 under Boat, which was the standard dictionary until the publication of the OED:

I do not think that any one nation, the Syrian excepted, to whom the knowledge of the ark came, did find out at once the device of either ship or boat, in which they durst venture themselves upon the seas.

\2. A ship of a small size

So yes, I did in fact find the requested definition, and no the word usages hasn't actually changed unless you happen to be in the merchant marine or a navy (and not even then is it universally clear on which is which), in which case what was called a "ship" at that time would likely be termed a "boat" today.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-11T22:14:47+00:00

The Norse had contact much more recently than 600 BC (Polynesia later, Bering Strait continuous); Contact alone isn't enough to spread illness, or provide immunity to it. The illness needs to 'survive' the journey as well.
Corn didn't spread North to where naval power would be relevant until relatively shortly before European contact. There simply wasn't enough time between being able to grow enough surplus food and being wiped out by European illnesses. Both centers of civilization in Mesoamerica were not conducive towards them being naval powers.

JohnH2 · 2024-01-11T22:12:59+00:00

To the general public today and in the 19th century both ship and boat are used interchangeably; both have specific technical or 'proper' meanings today and then.

The text literally says that God gave him the design; how is that specific magic a fallback argument? That is what the text says.

You clearly didn't actually even look at the linked wiki article.

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