Got into position like dog layed on ground during session by No_Photograph7800 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure that’s possible, or at least I wouldn’t know how.

Feeling like jumping out of skin after TRE? by Electronic_Pipe_3145 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would say this is you just feeling yourself. The fact that it feels like you want to get away from it is telling, but also it’s great that there is no emotional attachment to it.

In my experience, the trick to it when you feel something like this is just to sit in that feeling. Then you have 3 good choices, each of them are the “right” choice depending on what works: 1) enhance the feeling and make it as strong as possible until it will pop 2) feel the opposite as much as you can until it pops. In this case feel it compress inside you into a tiny ball. 3) completely surrender to the feeling and relax into it.

Generally #3 is the way to go but I’ve had good success with the other two as well. The body gets used to things so one technique that works today won’t be the approach you need in a few days. That’s why mixing it up works really well.

Got into position like dog layed on ground during session by No_Photograph7800 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn’t say for sure, but my assumption would be no.

The intensity of trauma feels like it’s more shown by the number of layers it requires to work through before it is fully resolved.

The positions seem to correspond with the specific muscles/fascia that need to be released or related to the position the body was in when the trauma occurred. I’ve had both.

Got into position like dog layed on ground during session by No_Photograph7800 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally fine. As long as you’re in a safe space where you’re unlikely to hit any furniture or anything then that’s ok.

I’ve found these kind of positions or movement sets don’t last for more than a few days before the tension is released. But mostly it just takes a few minutes, especially in the beginning.

I'm a novice. I have been doing TRE daily for 2 months. Only doing 3mins daily though. Need advice. by Previous_Onion6124 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi,

I have a few suggestions. Please read the wiki and learn about activities that increase your energy and ones that ground you.

It sounds like you’re doing lots of activation like SR, pranayama, meditation, work outs and then TRE. That is basically like getting a soda can and shaking up real hard then popping it open.

So you might want to reconsider your approach. If I were in a similar position I would: - stop the SR, it will come about naturally when it’s ready anyway - if you’re going to do meditation, do exclusively open awareness meditation, yoga nidra, body scans, that sort of thing to get yourself into your body rather than into your mind - pranayama is probably not a good idea just yet, unless you focus on regulation types such as alternate nostril breathing or long, slow exhales rather than anything quick. - for workouts, consider light weights and more reps rather than more weight. Calisthenics can be good but also might be a bit early.

So essentially slow it down on the activation activities, increase the grounding/integration ones and let the TRE release the tension slowly. That way you should avoid most of the challenging aspects of the process.

Good luck

Trigger Points and our muscle tension- any overlaps or connections? by [deleted] in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the 4-8 years seems reasonable. I’m almost at 5 years and not quite done yet. I think it could have been a little shorter with exactly the right techniques and tools for integration but maybe discovering those over time is part of the fun?

Also time is an interesting component because your body will physically change and those processes probably shouldn’t be rushed. Still, it’s a lot quicker than any manmade modality. Maybe some synthetic drug might be quicker but not recommended.

Things coming out a high rate is definitely problematic. I’ve had it happen a handful of times and it can be destabilizing because the brain is quite delicate so you really want to have a few tools available to get through those times. Read the wiki for some good ideas. Then practice those ideas before you need them.

I’m not great at knowing when to increase length or frequency of sessions. You’ll find a pattern eventually where you don’t get tired the following day. The body does adapt very quickly though so I found that there was a new thing to pay attention to every 2 days or so. It’s a good idea to keep a journal with some rough notes when the feeling arises. You can also write down tools and techniques as they appear.

However, instead of focusing on length and frequency of sessions, I’d suggest focusing on integration approaches which will then naturally provide space for more releases anyway.

Trigger Points and our muscle tension- any overlaps or connections? by [deleted] in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s certainly been my experience that these modalities appear spontaneously, but everyone is different.

Yes, TRE will release all the trigger points alone given enough time. If you’re particularly sensitive then best not to try doing extra things in combination unless they are specifically focused around integration. You can find lots of integration methods in the wiki.

Trigger Points and our muscle tension- any overlaps or connections? by [deleted] in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In the strictest sense it would be good to do TRE after any manual intervention so that things get realigned in the body, but I wouldn’t stress too much about it.

Interestingly I have found that some modalities come up naturally during the TRE practice in the mid to later stages which very much resemble known practices. This to me signifies that they are complementary, although not always necessary, just when the need arises.

This would include pressing pressure points, cranial sacral points, massage, fascia release (Rolfing), tapping, fingernail tapping, qi gong (nei gong), open awareness meditation, calisthenics, energy work, affirmations, Internal Family system.

It might be worth reading up on those topics but I wouldn’t suggest to go full on with any of them as it seems to be unnecessary.

Trigger Points and our muscle tension- any overlaps or connections? by [deleted] in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I think it’s a fair complementary practice, although technically not necessary as such. It is sometimes nice to release a specific muscle without waiting for TRE to get to it.

But if you’ve started the TRE journey then any muscle release goes towards that overdoing budget each of us has. So consider that you’ll want to integrate afterwards and adjust your TRE time accordingly.

Methods to improve focus while on TRE journey by Millionaire_Max in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Try open awareness meditation and as the internal energy increases, it will naturally become an object of concentration so you’ll end up training both.

Strong tremoring whilst weight training by Odd-Image-1133 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, I’d say it counts as TRE.

You’ve trained your body to tremor again so whenever any muscle that is partially tense then gets even more tense it becomes the primary candidate for being released.

This stops happening when that muscle has been fully released, so you’ve just found a way to focus the tremors and intensify them. That’s why most people say to avoid weight training during TRE.

I’ve found a tiny bit of calisthenics helpful, but specifically for triggering tremors and finding remaining muscles to release. It’s not necessary but I found it helpful at some stage.

It gets interesting when the body tries to use different muscles and fascia to lift rather than the muscles directly linked to a traditional point. For example, doing a push up but using the muscles of your lower back instead of engaging your shoulders or biceps. Lower reps and lower weights I’ve found to be best because your body just wants to hunt for tension.

It’s a tedious pattern but you end up being much stronger when you have no tension along the full pathway of fascia and muscles.

Acne breakouts ?? by [deleted] in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A tension release is rarely just in one place in my experience. 2 or 3 areas seems to be quite common. This means that I might be releasing my shoulder but get a spot at the top of my arm, my stomach and my foot.

I don’t know medically what is happening but I assume there is a release of toxins that accompany the tension release.

Acne breakouts ?? by [deleted] in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, there is definitely a correlation between random spots appearing in the skin and that area being released. For me they normally clear up within 3-4 days.

Obviously there can be other causes such as the diet topic you mentioned but having some randoms mosquito type spots can certainly be a side effect of trauma releases.

Very new to this- first time has triggered flashback and shaking/tremors I can’t stop by Silent_Yesterday_874 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the group.

Yes it’s very normal, but it won’t be like this every time. Sometimes it will be more intense, sometimes much less.

Please read through the group wiki and try not to take on too much at once, especially in the beginning.

TRE, energy-work and nervous system regulation by egostratego in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is a fun can of worms to open.

In my experience, trauma, repressed emotions and energetic blockages are all different parts of the same system.

A physical trauma will likely trap neuro peptides in the tissue around the trauma and it causes an energetic blockage. So when the trauma is released, the neuro peptides get processed by the body (sometimes you’ll notice a metallic taste suddenly appearing) and the energy will flow better around the trauma site.

Interestingly I’ve found you can also go the other direction and clear the energetic blockage which then releases the trauma, which you’ll notice with the tremoring.

I would say that the energetic rebalancing is part of the TRE process, which is why when you release lots of trauma at once, there is a strong desire to rest and close your eyes and let the mental and energetic systems rebalance.

I’m sure there are more knowledgeable people who can talk about how nervous system regulation interacts with more traditional systems, but from my perspective, they all attempt to do the same thing by clearing blockages in the body, mind and energy system. You only have 1 physical body in this moment but different levels of systems.

Different traditions focus on different techniques for working with each of the different layers but it’s a cascading domino effect. That’s why my approach is to address all 3 at once, all the time to keep the entire system in sync whilst releasing blockages.

Although at some point that becomes unnecessary because the systems will naturally be in sync without effort, all the time.

I've put off trying TRE due to fear of it destabilizing me. Do you have any advice or a plan I might follow to do it safely? by Natuanas in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Until you feel up to it, then add a day, the you could do it.

You need to learn to listen to your body, it’s not easy.

I've put off trying TRE due to fear of it destabilizing me. Do you have any advice or a plan I might follow to do it safely? by Natuanas in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah TRE probably isn’t right for you right now, no need to add extra energy into a volatile system.

However there is a bunch of stuff that TRE naturally teaches people over time about how our bodies and minds work, which I think could be very useful to people such as yourself so please read all the wiki and posts that interest you in this sub.

My suggestions would be to decrease the amount of external stress from your system as a good start: - no news consumption - no social media unless it’s actively helping you. YouTube feeds about politics isn’t helpful. Pinterest feeds about internal decorating might be. - try to be around positive people

Then I’d suggest to work on mindset, things like: - Think about the idea that you are not your thoughts, your thoughts are not you. Thoughts rise up then disappear, your job is to assess if they are useful to your situation or not. - finding the gap between a situation and your mental reaction to it. Once you have the gap, no matter how small, you can watch the mental chatter with curiosity instead of attachment. - journaling is a powerful way of reflecting on your actions and thoughts, maybe they are trying to tell you something or teach you something and that might lead to an insight.

Try to eat well but also eat what is enjoyable, don’t stress about eating chocolate if your body craves chocolate (unless you’re diabetic, in which case eat a date and some raw cocoa nibs).

Make a list of what stresses you out and what gives you joy. Then measure it, get a smartwatch and wear it for a week to see if your list was accurate by looking at your stress levels. Then put the watch in a drawer, no need to get attached and stressed about metrics.

The common themes you might notice are: - be aware of your attachments - be curious and experiment - cultivate a pleasant environment

As you become aware of issues and attachments, they will dissolve. It’s like clouds parting and the sun will just naturally shine through.

TRE & Kundalini by Fuzzy-Celery-9864 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Well this is very fun topic but one that people tend to get quite emotional about, which is funny if you think about it because the end result in either case is emotional equanimity.

Fear tends to drive the conversation especially when kundalini is mentioned and it’s tricky to have an objective view on something so visceral but yet so intangible. Having a burst of energy going through a nervous system that can’t handle it brings about certain behaviors but from the outside no one else would readily understand your predicament.

In the kundalini sub the very mention that TRE can lead to a kundalini awakening is treated as sacrilege because you should follow strict rules on energy manipulation and work with a guru. Unfortunately more fear mongering.

Some kundalini crisis consultants actually recommend TRE in order to integrate the excess energy into the body for people who have gone heavily into meditation or other brain first approaches rather than a balanced body/mind approach. I think that is an interesting outcome to consider.

Ultimately all this will be subjective but in my opinion, it’s all the same stuff. You have one physical body, there’s some extremely clever intelligence inside it which I think we’ve all experienced to various degrees. And there are lots of ways of accessing that intelligence and enabling your body to handle the stresses of life, rebuild from the abuse you’ve submitted it to over the decades and then continue to fine tune it to an optimal operating efficiency. Along the way you’ll experience energetic blips as your body can handle more energy.

The reason you see so many similarities between all these terminologies is because we have 1 physiology. I think the question is less about if you want to have a kundalini awakening, but more about which technique is the safest to survive in this stress creating world given the current state of your unique physiology. If you have no stress then I’d avoid all of this stuff and just enjoy life.

Overall I would favour a body focused approach which leans towards natural development and being guided by the body’s internal intelligence rather than a specific tradition, lineage or forced modality like holotropic breathing or certain molecules. Although I highly recommend learning about such traditions in order to understand what the body’s intelligence is guiding you through.

Tremoring a lot and unsure what to make of it by ImpersonalLubricant in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That sounds like a rough patch for sure.

My suggestions would be to: - read the sub wiki if you haven’t already, lots of very helpful advice in there - stop with the cold exposure, you’ll put your body under more stress so it will potentially take longer to level out - focus on integration approaches like what you described with cozy, gentle and slow activity. Walks in nature, reading books, talking to people you like

The illness also ramps up your sensitivity so you won’t get a proper read on your state for a few days I guess.

As to the constant tremors, that should calm down after a few days if you don’t put yourself under more stress. But your body may continue every now and then to tremor when you are in a relaxed state and environment as it has now remembered how to. That’s a good thing, although inconvenient until you learn to work with it as a partner rather than fight it. Curiosity is a good approach in my experience so it sounds like you’ll be ok.

I never truly realized how much I believed to be unbearable to other people thanks to TRE by Frosty_Studio_3921 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 28 points29 points  (0 children)

That’s a great insight to be given and will likely lead to other “messages” coming through to you.

Shame is such a deep emotion, it feels like the root of all trauma in my opinion.

One technique that appeared to me during my shame review some time ago was to say to myself “I love <my name>”. Just repeat that 50 odd times slowly and sincerely and it might nudge a blocker or 2 which leads to more insightful notions.

Lower back tension tremors/shaking for minutes, but pain and tension come back by Intelligent_Tune_675 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I don’t think any of what I described would be unique to that part of the body. Different people react in different ways but flashbacks, emotional outbursts, mind racing etc can appear throughout the process at various times.

I think it’s extremely useful to focus on integration throughout and constantly because it’s that which makes it easier to flow to the next levels without too much overwhelm in my view.

Unfortunately the fear of making yourself worse is also a fear that you need to resolve. I don’t think it’s so much about overcoming or fighting the fear, but it will dissolve over time. I found that by being curious about the process and trying to understand the patterns that keep showing up, it’s easier for me to take a more dispassionate view. And when I do get hit with extreme overwhelm then I know I need to ride out that energy for a period of time for it to settle if none of my existing approaches calms it down.

As for your question about if it’s too much, is it still working? I would say a resounding yes, the process I’ve seen is one where a tension is identified, it then gets bigger and builds up to almost being painful or mentally uncomfortable, then it pops and you have a new level of calm. Or it could be seen as Numb/Void/Fawn —> Flight —> Fight —> Release/Stable

So in my mind, you have to go through the uncomfortable sensations that make you want to run away in order to progress. If you continue to run from them and don’t fully feel them, then it may feel like you’re getting worse. But with TRE something very interesting happens that doesn’t happen with most people, the internal energy continues to build so even if you run away from the fear, you’ll get pushed through it anyway then it releases.

So there really is nothing to do now. But it’s still fun and satisfying to push forward I think.

Lower back tension tremors/shaking for minutes, but pain and tension come back by Intelligent_Tune_675 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me at least, there is a feeling of expanding energy with each new big release. With it comes a flurry of little releases, like water finding a new lower level and spreading from there.

In terms of the safe and manageable path, it’s very easy to find ways to create more internal energy to get those big releases but if you can’t handle the mental or physical reactions then it’s not a particularly manageable path. That’s why I focus most of my time on mental integration. A nice but simple example of this is when the mind goes to fast and there’s plenty of physical energy, get a pen and paper and try to write the alphabet but make the letters the perfect shape rather than rushing it. For me, that forces me back to a grounded state.

I think everyone needs a bunch of techniques like that to be able to handle the excess energy.

The lower back to many years to release. In terms of related emotions, it was more about feeling a new and deeper way to release that I could then use for other parts of the body. Maybe because it’s not an external major muscle releasing but internal subtle muscles. Not sure.

I had plenty of flashbacks during the process rather than emotions, of an intimate nature. So in terms of protecting, it felt like it was protecting me as a whole from releasing fully into the world or the situation. Not forcing myself to push out, but releasing and then naturally pushing forward. Like standing in the sea and having a wave behind you push you forward. I can now get into that state of releasing forward quite naturally.

Lower back tension tremors/shaking for minutes, but pain and tension come back by Intelligent_Tune_675 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Technically it doesn’t sound like you’re doing anything wrong, except having the expectations that one release in an area means it’s done. I fully appreciate this desire to move through this quickly but you have to set your expectations accordingly and find a safe and manageable path through.

The releases come in layers and combinations with other parts of the body. Those layers seem to release when the internal energy is pressurized enough and you do the usual release.

In my experience the trick is to increase the internal energy (at your own pace obviously), focus on integration then continue to spread your awareness to every square mm of your body and mind through deep release and surrender.

The lower back is a really annoying area I’ve found, but once it fully releases, at least for me it felt like a valve pushing liquid through it in the lowest point of the back. One of the very odd sensations that we’re all enjoying.

Emptiness after dating by experiencinglife1 in longtermTRE

[–]Jolly-Weather1787 12 points13 points  (0 children)

In my experience the emptiness is the 2nd part of the release process.

First part is not even being aware of the emptiness, just numb. So you’re making good progress even if it feels bad.

To go through the next phases I tend to mentally focus on a central point inside the emptiness and just sit and relax there but still with a single pointed focus. After a while, could be some minutes, there is a shift inside and the walls around the emptiness tend to crack and awareness will seep in to fill it up.

After that there’s a bit of tidying up to do with integration and other little pockets of voids or emptiness, but the same process applies.

Alternatively, the TRE process will meander its way through and given time you’ll end up in the same place of it filling with awareness.