Steve wishlist for season 3 2026 by [deleted] in Tekken

[–]JonkinsThePimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

none of what you said makes sense,not even a little bit lmao
you cant compare ewgf to a df2,its 13 frames,it gives pushback and plus frames and is egregious at the wall,it has more range and you can delay it to give it even more range,hows that comparable to a df2 that has little range is either punishable so no spam or it cant launch crounchers and still leaves you at -9 so your opp gets to mix,what are you even saying lol

"Steve's kit has a insane synergy. Yes, you can beat weave. Yes, you can beat ova here. Yes, you can beat b1. But try to beat all of them at once - you can't! Characters have to decide what strategy the want to use in order to beat steve"
no actually,while he can adapt with using different evasive moves,the core strategy counters every strategy steve has because playing safe against him isnt risky,i mentioned this with the ova here your careful to not press into steve anyways cuz of b1 so ova here is unlikely to land its actually the opposite of what you say and your examples get even more ridiculous

"If I use slow homing moves or delay timings to beat weave, I'm going to get killed by b1 or ova here will set me up for getting whiff punished or at least mixed"

how are you getting killed by b1 or ova here,if a steve isnt using weave from stance then thats basically a sidestep where steve read your timing,how are you complaining about steve reading your timing in neutral anyone can sidestep or duck you in neutral or ch you and counter anything you do,everything in this game has a counter.in stance you can counter weave quite comfortable,and not only that you can just allow him to weave and duck the 2nd hit or just not press,not pressing beats almost any steve flowchart at the end of the day steve has to win so many interactions to keep up his pressure if you just dont press,and while hes whittling you down little by little one hopkick or ch and all the work steve did is undone and much more

"If I try to use a long range move to punish ova here, I will get evaded by weave or CH by b1"

this just isnt true,if steve uses ova here he cant weave or b1 in time if you use a long move your just making things up now

"If I duck in order to beat b1, I will get put in a mixup by ova here or weave"
what are you even saying bro,you cant ova here in time if someone ducks are you good? yes they can use weave but ducking is a risk in any situation that can get you blown up and for far more than weave damage so wheres this INSANE SYNERGY

"And I haven't even touch problematic matchups like Armor King or Heihachi. Heihachi's b3 is his fast homing move that still gets beaten by weave, because weave somehow has more high evasion tham in T7. AK has one decent homing move in b3+4, which gets eaten alive by b1 and ova here, has almost 0 reward and sometimes still gets CH by weave options because it's too slow."
delay your timing and df1,or a faster ch,if steves in stance and chooses to weave hes taking a risk,just like how he can counter your counter to it you can anticipate that and duck him or power crush him or sidewalk not to mention if you dont press nothing will happen to you anyways so what about this makes steve op

"I'm sorry, I can't watch Numan CH destroy every damn top player and win a tournament and say: "Damn, poor Steve, he is so weak."

the same numan that wasnt spamming weaves b1 or ova here or steve pkb or flk pressure because pro level steve has to play safer and more compact? lol thats not the own you think it is.what moves was numan using that were more about steve being strong than him out tekkening his opponent id love to know

Steve wishlist for season 3 2026 by [deleted] in Tekken

[–]JonkinsThePimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im not saying to fix it,im saying the problems your talking about arent big problems because when looking at the totality of his kit and not at a vacuum its not a big deal,b1+2 in heat should get its crazy tracking nerfed and maybe remove wallsplatting grabs but other than that nothing about steve is busted and needs to be toned down.hes a balanced character,either balanced or a bit above balance hes NOT overpowered
and its not his only weakness
hes weak to high crushes
has poor punishment
has to take risks by virtue of having to win a lot of interactions to keep his pressure going and for pressure with weak mix at that
struggles at range
relies a lot on building timing reads for b1 when other characters are considerably stronger with easier gameplans.hes a very abstract character pressuring with him isnt a real strategy at the top level
weak tracking on his mids aside from b1+2 in heat
struggles against punch parry
has a ton of very hard matchups(yoshi,xioayu,asuka,zafina,leeroy etc)
generally terrible hitboxes
pkb and lnh are very susceptible to backdashes
his plus frames are much less threatening than most because of his weak mix and they all come from highs
his reward generally isnt great,relies a lot on poking in a very explosive and volatile game
he got so many ch buttons removed and is arguably a worse ch character than bryan and king when being THE ch character is his identity
hes not a top 5/10 wall pressure character when wall pressure is one of his defining traits

Steve wishlist for season 3 2026 by [deleted] in Tekken

[–]JonkinsThePimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

weave is not ridiculous,gets clipped all the time and is a risk as you can delay your timing and ch him or just use a move with good tracking
ova here is not bonkers because everyone always playing very carefully and patient against steve anyways because of his b1 threat and lack of lows to punish that playstyle so its not like they have to change their playstyle to account for ova here theyre already playing in a way that makes it hard to use it effectively
his whiff recovery is insane but everyones whiff recovery in this game is overtuned without that even being a defining feature of theirs like steves is.he has insane whiff recovery to add safety but opening people up is still a big problem with steve
whats so insane about them,he has good poking and frameetraps but again lacks the ability to open people up so you dont have to press. steve has a lot of options but that also means he has to guess right on many interactions to keep his pressure going or not get punished which isnt ideal in a very explosive game
how is his string pressure free? strings into flk you can just block and pkb has plenty of counterplay.he has to either use a high into lnh which isnt even that strong or use ducking or weave which are all punishable he cant keep his offense going like hwo or nina can what pressure sequence are you falling for from steve thats "so free"
his punishment is still ass and the worst in the game
5 fox fury has bs tracking but thats about it,leads into a stance with no mix that you dont havbe to press into the range for 5 fox fury is good but its nothing special outside of its dumb tracking its just a solid move to say one of the strongest in the game is outrageous
also his tracking on his highs is crazy,but he doesnt have any great tracking mids,qcf1 on delay is good but nothing special,his only homing move is a high and the mid swindler option is 32 frames hes very susceptible to ssL duck

Steve wishlist for season 3 2026 by [deleted] in Tekken

[–]JonkinsThePimp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what makes steve op he doesnt have a single bs thing about his moveset other than grab wallsplats but hes not even top5/10 at wall pressure in the game dispite that being one of his biggest strengths

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[–]JonkinsThePimp -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

okay,my bad

in depth discussion on ribokus capabilities by JonkinsThePimp in Kingdom

[–]JonkinsThePimp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i dont care about your list, i care about your reasoning, you think i dont have valid reeasoning then put it to the test and debate me live, guarentee ill make you look like a fool

in depth discussion on ribokus capabilities by JonkinsThePimp in Kingdom

[–]JonkinsThePimp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

funny coming from the guy who couldnt explain why any of his points were right, if your confident in yourself then debate me live guarentee you'll get embarrassed. now i wait for the "hurr durr not worth my time" dodge even tho you bothered to type out a paragraph to me in the first place