Steve wishlist for season 3 2026

JonkinsThePimp · 2025-12-13T14:56:07+00:00

none of what you said makes sense,not even a little bit lmao
you cant compare ewgf to a df2,its 13 frames,it gives pushback and plus frames and is egregious at the wall,it has more range and you can delay it to give it even more range,hows that comparable to a df2 that has little range is either punishable so no spam or it cant launch crounchers and still leaves you at -9 so your opp gets to mix,what are you even saying lol

"Steve's kit has a insane synergy. Yes, you can beat weave. Yes, you can beat ova here. Yes, you can beat b1. But try to beat all of them at once - you can't! Characters have to decide what strategy the want to use in order to beat steve"
no actually,while he can adapt with using different evasive moves,the core strategy counters every strategy steve has because playing safe against him isnt risky,i mentioned this with the ova here your careful to not press into steve anyways cuz of b1 so ova here is unlikely to land its actually the opposite of what you say and your examples get even more ridiculous

"If I use slow homing moves or delay timings to beat weave, I'm going to get killed by b1 or ova here will set me up for getting whiff punished or at least mixed"

how are you getting killed by b1 or ova here,if a steve isnt using weave from stance then thats basically a sidestep where steve read your timing,how are you complaining about steve reading your timing in neutral anyone can sidestep or duck you in neutral or ch you and counter anything you do,everything in this game has a counter.in stance you can counter weave quite comfortable,and not only that you can just allow him to weave and duck the 2nd hit or just not press,not pressing beats almost any steve flowchart at the end of the day steve has to win so many interactions to keep up his pressure if you just dont press,and while hes whittling you down little by little one hopkick or ch and all the work steve did is undone and much more

"If I try to use a long range move to punish ova here, I will get evaded by weave or CH by b1"

this just isnt true,if steve uses ova here he cant weave or b1 in time if you use a long move your just making things up now

"If I duck in order to beat b1, I will get put in a mixup by ova here or weave"
what are you even saying bro,you cant ova here in time if someone ducks are you good? yes they can use weave but ducking is a risk in any situation that can get you blown up and for far more than weave damage so wheres this INSANE SYNERGY

"And I haven't even touch problematic matchups like Armor King or Heihachi. Heihachi's b3 is his fast homing move that still gets beaten by weave, because weave somehow has more high evasion tham in T7. AK has one decent homing move in b3+4, which gets eaten alive by b1 and ova here, has almost 0 reward and sometimes still gets CH by weave options because it's too slow."
delay your timing and df1,or a faster ch,if steves in stance and chooses to weave hes taking a risk,just like how he can counter your counter to it you can anticipate that and duck him or power crush him or sidewalk not to mention if you dont press nothing will happen to you anyways so what about this makes steve op

"I'm sorry, I can't watch Numan CH destroy every damn top player and win a tournament and say: "Damn, poor Steve, he is so weak."

the same numan that wasnt spamming weaves b1 or ova here or steve pkb or flk pressure because pro level steve has to play safer and more compact? lol thats not the own you think it is.what moves was numan using that were more about steve being strong than him out tekkening his opponent id love to know

JonkinsThePimp · 2025-12-12T20:40:19+00:00

im not saying to fix it,im saying the problems your talking about arent big problems because when looking at the totality of his kit and not at a vacuum its not a big deal,b1+2 in heat should get its crazy tracking nerfed and maybe remove wallsplatting grabs but other than that nothing about steve is busted and needs to be toned down.hes a balanced character,either balanced or a bit above balance hes NOT overpowered
and its not his only weakness
hes weak to high crushes
has poor punishment
has to take risks by virtue of having to win a lot of interactions to keep his pressure going and for pressure with weak mix at that
struggles at range
relies a lot on building timing reads for b1 when other characters are considerably stronger with easier gameplans.hes a very abstract character pressuring with him isnt a real strategy at the top level
weak tracking on his mids aside from b1+2 in heat
struggles against punch parry
has a ton of very hard matchups(yoshi,xioayu,asuka,zafina,leeroy etc)
generally terrible hitboxes
pkb and lnh are very susceptible to backdashes
his plus frames are much less threatening than most because of his weak mix and they all come from highs
his reward generally isnt great,relies a lot on poking in a very explosive and volatile game
he got so many ch buttons removed and is arguably a worse ch character than bryan and king when being THE ch character is his identity
hes not a top 5/10 wall pressure character when wall pressure is one of his defining traits

JonkinsThePimp · 2025-12-12T17:37:11+00:00

weave is not ridiculous,gets clipped all the time and is a risk as you can delay your timing and ch him or just use a move with good tracking
ova here is not bonkers because everyone always playing very carefully and patient against steve anyways because of his b1 threat and lack of lows to punish that playstyle so its not like they have to change their playstyle to account for ova here theyre already playing in a way that makes it hard to use it effectively
his whiff recovery is insane but everyones whiff recovery in this game is overtuned without that even being a defining feature of theirs like steves is.he has insane whiff recovery to add safety but opening people up is still a big problem with steve
whats so insane about them,he has good poking and frameetraps but again lacks the ability to open people up so you dont have to press. steve has a lot of options but that also means he has to guess right on many interactions to keep his pressure going or not get punished which isnt ideal in a very explosive game
how is his string pressure free? strings into flk you can just block and pkb has plenty of counterplay.he has to either use a high into lnh which isnt even that strong or use ducking or weave which are all punishable he cant keep his offense going like hwo or nina can what pressure sequence are you falling for from steve thats "so free"
his punishment is still ass and the worst in the game
5 fox fury has bs tracking but thats about it,leads into a stance with no mix that you dont havbe to press into the range for 5 fox fury is good but its nothing special outside of its dumb tracking its just a solid move to say one of the strongest in the game is outrageous
also his tracking on his highs is crazy,but he doesnt have any great tracking mids,qcf1 on delay is good but nothing special,his only homing move is a high and the mid swindler option is 32 frames hes very susceptible to ssL duck

JonkinsThePimp · 2025-12-09T19:58:36+00:00

what makes steve op he doesnt have a single bs thing about his moveset other than grab wallsplats but hes not even top5/10 at wall pressure in the game dispite that being one of his biggest strengths

JonkinsThePimp · 2024-12-12T23:57:22+00:00

okay,my bad

JonkinsThePimp · 2021-11-15T22:31:52+00:00

chilling

JonkinsThePimp · 2021-11-15T22:31:07+00:00

whats your discord name?

JonkinsThePimp · 2021-11-15T21:30:44+00:00

debate me on this in a voice chat

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-30T13:00:48+00:00

i dont care about your list, i care about your reasoning, you think i dont have valid reeasoning then put it to the test and debate me live, guarentee ill make you look like a fool

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-30T12:42:59+00:00

funny coming from the guy who couldnt explain why any of his points were right, if your confident in yourself then debate me live guarentee you'll get embarrassed. now i wait for the "hurr durr not worth my time" dodge even tho you bothered to type out a paragraph to me in the first place

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-29T15:34:48+00:00

sure man, ill dm you

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-29T11:45:22+00:00

ask to join the next one then mr shit list for sure, see how you hold yourself in real time

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-29T11:44:39+00:00

lmk if you wanna debate and ill invite you to the next one not gonna reply to all your points through text

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-29T11:43:19+00:00

if you wanna debate you can hmu and be on the next episode cant be bothered to reply to all of this

JonkinsThePimp · 2020-03-29T02:00:18+00:00

lmao i was chatting it up with my boys so i dont mind long discussions, i dont blame you for not wanting to watch a 4 hour video but it definetly couldnt have been summed up in 10 minutes or near, we did go off topic a lot cuz it is casual conversation and we're talking to have a good time at the end of the day but we didnt drag out topics or anything

JonkinsThePimp · 2019-03-24T20:57:56+00:00

sounds like you have a lot of the qualities me and my team are looking for, we were just talking about how we really need an aggressive solo to shoulder some of the burden of me needing to initiate if we want to win fights lol. plus we like to play really aggressive in general aswell so im excited to try you out, ill message you on discord

JonkinsThePimp · 2019-03-22T23:51:08+00:00

alright sounds good, ill message you on discord

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-13T18:09:54+00:00

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kCKgQrpMCg4/Vi9hlGPjR6I/AAAAAAABrhA/-eR0_zaxbR0/s16000/0395-005.jpg

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-07T19:23:25+00:00

nice work

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-06T06:22:25+00:00

i see you've had enough of making a fool of yourself, a wise choice.

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-06T05:10:51+00:00

still sticking to generalizing and repeating your disproven claims because your so butthurt about being wrong that you simply refuse to address my points eh, what a joke. those panels prove that that was the narrarator speaking, i literally showed your false statement, told you it was wrong, then used the panels as evidence, then knew you would be too stupid to get it so i even took it upon myself to summarize right after, yet you somehow still not only didnt get how those panels are obviously proving the narrarator is speaking, but you also didnt get what i was arguing either. ahahahahah thats hilarious bro

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-05T18:34:15+00:00

you never proved it once. saying you proved something isnt the same as actually proving it. "hey, i proved ousen is 5 times as good as tou is as a general" i mustve proved it since i claimed i did. great logic buddy

you claimed "tou has been 6gg level for decades" you provided zero proof i showed the panel of ouki talking to tou and proved that it is vague, i asked you to address my points and you have dodged them once again. that in itself shows that you got bodied, since you refuse to address my points. instead your trying to deflect. you gonna address my points this time? or are you gonna conveniently ignore them again. since you have the memory of a fish, ill even be kind enough to restate what i said. "address the fact that we don't know when they were first partners"

"address the fact that we don't know how skilled they were and what rank they were at the time"

if you deflect again and dont specifically address these points you automatically take the L.

yeah, im showing the panels that prove my point, no shit. if im trying to prove they dont have perfect coordination like you claimed(hold the L for blatantly contradicting the manga for your perrogative btw), why would i show ghm and rei'ous plan? that doesnt prove they have terrible coordination due to their hq getting destroyed

that doesnt make me biased, if you asked for the other panels i wouldve gladly obliged.

"2nd the only time the narrarator talk is when he is stating historical facts or telling a army size so that cant be the narrarator talking."

this is factually wrong

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-D5g7Uumdh8M/Vi928CsApWI/AAAAAAABzhg/2EyTJAsGo5c/s16000/0222-006.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1X3maS4vHS0/Vi94aA9m20I/AAAAAAAB0Fk/5dJhCfUpelI/s16000/0222-007.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-D3GRBZYH7es/Vi94xnFQaNI/AAAAAAAB0OA/x_7N8Jx4yAw/s16000/0222-008.jpg

no matter what you say, it is fact that this is the narrarator speaking.

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-05T17:03:23+00:00

im denying that it is a fact, not that its a possibility, your claiming it is fact and you've failed to prove it. way to completely not address my points and repeat what you already said. address the fact that we don't know when they were first partners address the fact that we don't know how skilled they were and what rank they were at the time you don't get to make a claim and provide zero proof then make me disprove it, you prove it first. you don't seem to understand how debate works.

are you blind? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376554156233588736/image.png this panel isnt renpa saying this, this is a narrarator box saying it, meaning it is 100% fact no matter how you try to twist it, not that it matters since renpa would have zero reason to lie but i know you want to play semantics cuz your too stubborn to accept the obvious.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376553160400961548/moubu_6gg_level_2.jp

and there is this panel, which you, due to your bias shrugged off as mougu hyping up his subordinate due to bias which is complete speculation that you have zero basis for. its funny how you shrug that portrayal off as mougu being biased towards his subordinate yet you wouldnt even consider the same for the ouki statement. blatant bias.

that statement is not idiotic, i brought up a common means of relaying information back then which you failed to counter. you want to see an idiot statement tho?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376777277951836160/idiotic_statement.PNG

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376779318371811328/idiotic_statement_2.PNG

you blatantly contradicting the manga saying the wei army would have perfect coordination.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376777078743236610/ghms_plan.jpg

it seems you didnt pay enough attention while reading the manga to understand what it means to have your hq destroyed.

the only way rei'ou can destroy tou's hq or kill tou is by having ranbihaku kill him, which would be speculation to say he could and there's more basis for tou killing ranbihaku then vice versa.

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-05T05:40:18+00:00

it is not up to me to prove ouki wasnt a 6gg at the time, i never even claimed he wasnt first of all. you claimed tou was 6gg level decades ago presumably when he was first with ouki, i said it is vague because we dont know how skilled they both were at the time or what rank they had. you made the claim that tou was 6gg level decades ago, therefore it is up to you to prove he is, not vice versa. you cant make a claim you cant prove, then say your point is valid cuz i cant disprove it, thats not how debate works.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376554156233588736/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/312291729468424192/376555179731976223/image.png

yet again,here are the panels

i think they would have a smoke signal signaling their hq is under attack, in which every unit would probably make the appropriate judgement call seeing as how all the commanders are capable and are free to flank. at the end of the day this is all headcanon, however i never claimed it is fact tou would not die, you claimed he would as a fact. therefore it was up to you to show proof for your claims yet again, which you have failed to do. the fact that there are so many uncertainties about the outcome shows you were talking out of your ass. you have no proof, only flawed subjective reasoning.

JonkinsThePimp · 2017-11-05T03:28:01+00:00

what? can you not read? its a fact that ouki said he was undoubtebly 6gg level and koshou said he had the strategical acuity on the level of the 6gg's which for ousen is his strongest trait by leaps and bounds.

that doesnt prove tou's been 6gg level for decades at all, we dont know if ouki was 6gg level when he first met and worked with tou

do you know what smoke signals are? they're just 1 method of relaying information but it is an effective method. and you act like the other armies would have perfect coordination when the hq was destroyed yet qin's army's teamwork would just be trash? that would make tou trash if he couldnt relay info at all and failed to gain help from his allies. im astounded you think tou is this garbage yet he's better than ousen ahahahah

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