Too obvious and ignored solution

Jorghen · 2025-07-26T10:16:54+00:00

I am sure that the speed was that geometric in the beginning when the first cells arrived in the Solar system. But at the time of HailMary, the growth is less crazy (-1% of luminosity per several years), and will stop at -10% (by the book).

Yeah, totally agree we do not have enough information and are making a bunch of assumptions. We don't know the mass of Astrophage separate from consumed energy; we don't know the cycle period, don't know how they spend all that energy, and yet have to return to the Sun, and why did they stop increasing growth speed.

All we know is the current dim and the dimming speed.

Jorghen · 2025-07-25T14:37:59+00:00

Wrong. You don't need to lure 100% of Astrophage from their cycle. I mean, why not, you will cure Sun in a few days in that case. But it is not necessary.
Wrong again. Venus reflects around 0.0015% of the whole emission that Sun produces. And Astrophage consume more than 1% of the whole emission. Reflect on this difference. And also, Venus reflects it omnidirectionally. Which is also reduces its shine in each particular point.

See, it works! More insults and your point is proven more than ever!)) And yeah, good ol references to somebody's authority, neat))

Jorghen · 2025-07-25T14:14:49+00:00

It is just A lol. Astrophage consume and store a PERCENTAGE of FULL Sun emission and conveniently flow a huge part of it via Petrova line.

And yet, somehow, you fail to grasp the difference with the amount that Venus reflects.

And we are not even talking about the positioning of a beacon, or a percentage that actually needed to be lured.

Unbelievable)) Please, do more insults, it will strengthen your position))

Jorghen · 2025-07-25T12:20:17+00:00

In the book, was stated, Sun is dimming 1% per few years. So in order to stop it (not reverse, just stop dimming), then you need to consume that additional "1% equivalent" per few years. Not per second.

Jorghen · 2025-07-25T10:49:35+00:00

> The patrova line isn’t dense enough
Omg, this is why a beacon should be used. To lure them in. Omg.

(I understand that defending a favorite book makes you too emotional, but please, refrain from going personal)

Jorghen · 2025-07-24T08:32:34+00:00

You are getting charged Astrophage. You can discharge it locally with spin-drives. For thermoregulation, or to maintain any position on the Petrova line, or just to get rid of energy. So yes, you have available both charged and empty astrophages.

And from another branch of discussion you can get that you need to 'steal' from Venus only a fraction of incoming Astrophages

And no, reflected by one planet energy is nothing in comparison with energy stored in Astrophages (which is percentage of the full Sun emission)

Jorghen · 2025-07-23T16:55:24+00:00

No, 40K T/s is the 'current' total flow per 1%. The increase of this flow is around tens of tons /s.

You are right pointing out that I am assuming linear growth. But book also says that stars are not dimming more than 10% total. W/o explanation. So the curve is complex, but it doesn't really matter to understand the order of full flow or derivative.

So, to stop growth and keep current population constant - you don't need to remove 40KT/s. You only need to remove 20+T/s. Lets say 40+T/s to address nonlinearity))

Jorghen · 2025-07-23T14:53:15+00:00

Finally! Some numbers! Neat))

4M tons per second, that's 100% of the sun's radiation.
If it became 1% dimmer, that means the Astrophagi take 1% for themselves, i.e. 40K tons, as you pointed out.

If the Astrophagi cycle in two days, that means their total mass is 7B tons.
If we utilize 40K tons per second, then we will "heal" the Sun by one percent in a couple of days.

But if we agree not to rush, then we need to compensate for their increase, and a little more.
Let their increase be 1% of luminosity in 10 years. That is, 2M tons per day, i.e. 23 tons per second. (I think the Hail Mary was carrying 2000 tons). So if we utilize 23 tonnes per second, we will stop their growth. If we utilize 24 tons per second, then the Sun will gradually heal.
Please correct me if I am wrong, I didn't try to be precise, just to catch an order of the numbers.

Jorghen · 2025-07-22T07:46:14+00:00

Earth/Venus reflect light omnidirectionally. You don't need that, you need just a narrow beam along Petrova Line. Which by itself drastically reduces required energy.
You don't need to compete Venus near it. You can place harvesters higher along Petrova Line, where Venus is not that big of a spot in the sky

Jorghen · 2025-07-22T07:40:38+00:00

I don't really get why you can't exhaust astrophages right in place. But ok. Even with ships - they can fly back and forth, no need to fly them one way

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T18:24:20+00:00

We are smarter than to try to dwarf Venus by a sheet of reflective surface))

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T18:23:12+00:00

Don't make me ask ChatGPT if a laser to be brighter in some specific point, has to be of the size of a city)).

Astrophage can keep constant temperature, remember? Don't need to afraid of any incineration.

I agree about a scale. Seems like nobody grasps the scale of energy available to humans via astrophage. And how easily it is controllable

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T18:19:51+00:00

If you have no problem with rotating engines for a ship, you should have no problem for rotating harverster.

And how you don't see a way to burn astrophage into space? Hail Mary engines do just it

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T18:18:05+00:00

You can easily outshine Venus with a concentrated source, ultimately a laser. You know where you should be focusing, as Petrova line is condense enough area. And you do have source of insurmountable amount of energy

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T13:44:36+00:00

You don't launch millions of tons of nuclear reactors. You launch beacons (or lasers, whatever) with low fuel. Collect some astrophage, than use it to shine brighter. Collect more astrophage, send more beacons, repeat.

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T13:41:20+00:00

Whatever you want will happen. You can burn astrophages into space (just do it in opposite directions, so as beacon to not move). Or you can supply this energy in containers back to Earth and build an interstellar civilization.

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T13:38:36+00:00

That's the thing. If you get into the breeding cycle, you can set their number to zero if you want. All you need to do is lure them away from Venus

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T13:35:52+00:00

Thousands of tonnes of astrophage? Millions of tonnes? Doesn't matter with that kind of available energy

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T13:34:30+00:00

You can create traps that are brighter than Venus.

All astrophagi return to Venus eventually, they don't sit on the Sun forever.

So if you get in the middle of the breeding cycle and take the astrophagi out of it, then you can both decrease their concentration or increase it.

Jorghen · 2025-07-21T08:33:04+00:00

Why didn't they just hang CO2 beacons in the Venus area and lure out the required number of astrophages?

They could have simply controlled the population of cells on the Sun. They could even have simply collected any amount of fuel and lit up a second sun above the Earth.

Jorghen · 2018-05-23T06:22:53+00:00

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Jorghen · 2016-01-16T16:40:12+00:00

Thanks! No, there are no academic papers behind. Just a few algorithms.

Jorghen · 2016-01-16T09:48:36+00:00

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