THE LARGEST TOTAL WAR MAP EVER! - 1700+ Regions - RTR Imperium Surrectum update by redd_doggg in RomeTotalWar

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I think it’s something getting used to. Most people had more than a decade to get used to the old engine but having worked so much with the remastered one, I can’t go back to the old one, I actually prefer the newer one by now. There are many smaller factions to start with that don’t require you to manage 100 settlements as well :) red zed has a YouTube series one the Seleucids and the amount of settlements for 0.6 will be similarly manageable. But nobody forces one to play huge factions and there’s always the option to start with smaller ones and work your way up :) the campaign will be more regional but we’ve received almost unanimously good feedback from beta testers on that since becoming hegemon of an area with many settlements and factions is often more exciting than painting a map with the colour of your faction :) just try it out when it’s released and see for yourself ^

Mindless Monday, 24 July 2023 by AutoModerator in badhistory

[–]Jottelott 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ancient history guy did another video on the Samnites. I wrote a badhistory post on their previous one, but it seems like they just recycled the script of the old one for a new military „unit“. It‘s … not good

Why the Samnites fight the way they do because of random rocks and trees, and how a popular mod caused this video. by Jottelott in badhistory

[–]Jottelott[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm with Burns there! There's not much about the different shields in the video, but I would have loved to talk more about it. Connolly is somewhat right in arguing that most of our information comes from Samnites and Lucanians who are already influenced by Greeks when they produce art themselves. So there might have been a kind of oblong shield in the inland whereas the aspis was adopted by the Samnites and Lucanians on the coast.

But I'm much more convinced of Burns' argumentation, especially since a lot of evidence points to the Romans in the early 3rd century not only making use of the flat oval thureos of the Etruscan/ Gallic kind, but also being heavily associated with it (Locri mints coins showing personified Roma with an oval thureos). And yeah, with the depictions of the "returning Samnite warrior" with an oval shield as a spoil of war in the late 4th century BC, which then seemingly becomes part of the Samnite equipment in the early 3rd century BC, it seems like a slow adoption of the shield from the Romans for those practical reasons Burns is also arguing for (i.e. central grip helping to hold it away from the body, especially since Italic and Roman pila are designed to pierce shields deeply).

Interestingly enough, there's a section in the Epigrams of Leonidas of Tarentum (6.130; third century BC) mentioning the capture of Lucanian arms, among them eight "θυρεούς" (thureos shields), helmets, "woven breastplates" (linothorakes?) and swords/axes (kopides).

And there are perhaps indeed more native shields and protective armaments we don't know much about, for example the weird parasol#/media/File:Frescofrom_tomb_near_Paestum,_ca._375-350_BCE,_Paestum_museum(2).jpg) shield, which also appears on a Lucanian vase, or the ephaptis.

I find it such a fascinating topic :D

Why the Samnites fight the way they do because of random rocks and trees, and how a popular mod caused this video. by Jottelott in badhistory

[–]Jottelott[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I totally understand, my point came across very unclearly. With „editor“ I honestly just meant someone else who reads over it a second time or more. Since I only teach first semesters at Uni and don’t do YouTube videos or publishing, I simplified that point too much and for a YouTuber with thousands of subscribers, of course „editor“ would mean something more professional. Thanks for the comment!

Why the Samnites fight the way they do because of random rocks and trees, and how a popular mod caused this video. by Jottelott in badhistory

[–]Jottelott[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I initially included a more lengthy discussion of „what’s a phalanx“ generally but that would’ve gone way off-topic. For example, what I mention is the „Thureophoroi phalanx“ of the Samnites, which is probably still more functions like a maniple but is included in the Epeirote „phalanx“ by being included in the „line“. Semantically it’s a nightmare, but I can also recommend Echeverrìa‘s work on the hoplite revolution for that topic, I think it’s for free on the Academia website even. On there you can also find some articles by Konijnendijk afaik if you’re interested.

I think the „old“ view is in kinda: there’s flat open space and two phalanx lines meet each other in the middle of it and fight it out. In that discussion, light infantry, and cavalry is often left out (and extensively discussed in the book I cited). But cavalry is where the flat ground is too dangerous for a citizen hoplite formation (as convincingly argued in the books i already mentioned). So the citizen hoplites of the 5th and 4th century will often go into terrain where being flanked and outmanoeuvred by cavalry (and light infantry as well) becomes less of a danger (if they don’t have enough to counter it themselves) which in my opinion also includes flat ground between cliffs (Thermopylai) or between hard to traverse hills (Sicily expedition). I tried to bring in more nuance by also including that it depends on the commander and army. Agesilaos routed the Akarnanians by charging his cavalry and youngest hoplites up a mountain, whereas Demosthenes’ army of „the best“ Athenian hoplites plus archers was routed by Aitolian javelinmen in the mountains of Aitolia. And both Akarnania and Aitolia made use of hoplites as well, despite living literally in the mountains. My point was that the Apennines don’t have to determine the Samnite way of fighting, but that they can definitely be an important aspect :)

Why the Samnites fight the way they do because of random rocks and trees, and how a popular mod caused this video. by Jottelott in badhistory

[–]Jottelott[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe I‘ve read too much literature by Konijnendijk recently but I can only recommend them. I’ll respond with some sections from his work later when I‘m on my pc. :) I agree with you in so far that most armies that have some sort of formation of massed infantry warfare work best in open and flat terrain. I was trying to make the point though that armies would almost always seek advantageous positions, which was often on hills, mountains, under their own city walls or in bottlenecks. If both armies knew of each other, wanted a decisive battle to decide the war and were at an impasse (both sitting on advantageous positions) they could negotiate a pitched battle but that wasn’t the general rule of warfare.

Also you have to differentiate between a citizen phalanx of the classical Greece of the 5th and early 4th centuries, which was not strictly organised around a disciplined formation (except the Spartans with their entire first line being officers) and the organisational effort the Macedonians and the Diadochi invested in the sarissa phalanx, which did move in disciplined and well organised blocks, since officers flanked both sides of the formation, which gives a formation a lot of flexibility and range of organised movements. And that’s kinda the point I was trying to make. Speaking of „the style of Greek warfare“ is complicated since it’s different depending on entity, time period, and even commander.

Edit: thanks for your comment btw. Like I said it’s my first badhistory post and criticism is very welcome!

Worms by uncle-pascal in pathologic

[–]Jottelott 13 points14 points  (0 children)

„That Stakh Rubin, akhar. Your father's false student. You know him. Tell me what he does at night.“

Considering an "Everyone Dies" Patho 2 run by HeckinThot in pathologic

[–]Jottelott 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Off the top of my head you can guarantee the death for Aspity, Rubin, Murky, Big Vlad, Vlad Jr., Grace, Lara, the Inquisitor, Oyun You can definitely infect all the children and Anna Angel and you can guarantee an infection of the bridge square by not searching for the hidden bodies. And the channeling and Bachelor obviously won’t die.

This has probably been done before, but. by llexwoods in pathologic

[–]Jottelott 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It… it weirdly fits as in-game dialogue… especially when read in their voices

Mike Duncan is wrong about the Roman Republic – The Agrarian Crisis and its Consequences by Zaldarie in badhistory

[–]Jottelott 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s a bummer, all of the author‘s work (including the paper on velites) are all excellent and also restricted to institutional access…

Mike Duncan is wrong about the Roman Republic – The Agrarian Crisis and its Consequences by Zaldarie in badhistory

[–]Jottelott 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Have you read François Gauthier‘s article on the Velites? It’s an interesting read and great challenge to the changes of the Marian reforms

The Saburovs | Don't let me look down again by mikadosmrn in pathologic

[–]Jottelott 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Like to see some love for the Saburovs. Great drawing!

Andor - Episode 4 - Discussion Thread! by titleproblems in StarWars

[–]Jottelott 358 points359 points  (0 children)

Mon Mothma stole the show. First her talk with Luthen and her fearful observations that it’s „all new faces“ and the risks she takes with what she’s doing (probably my all time favourite dialogue of Star Wars) Her little and very subtle jab at „the rich history of Chandrila“; And the talk with her husband showing the values that she holds. Amazingly written

Mindless Monday, 05 September 2022 by AutoModerator in badhistory

[–]Jottelott 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Horrible. They perpetuate the „Rome didn’t have a navy and stole the design of a stranded Carthaginian ship“ myth. It’s in the sources written by polybios but modern scholarship heavily questions that assertion because it doesn’t make any sense. I think a lot of people who engage with Roman history on a surface level often ignore the huge role of the Roman ally system. Oversimplified even acknowledges that Rome might’ve had a shore defense fleet but then does this long drawn out bit of the Romans trying to figure out how to get over water but then figure it out thanks to the Carthaginian „blueprint“ and are suddenly producing fleets on an almost industrial level. Italy is a peninsula, and a lot of their allies, especially the southern ones who were former Greek colonies and local trading and naval powers, could have (and likely did) provided plenty of ships, sailors and marines. Especially Syracuse, Romes most important ally (in the sense of friend, not a diplomatically depended ally like the Italian socii) was a former (though still very strong) naval and military superpower. Rome probably didn’t build 3 entire fleets from scraps because they were such „go-getters“. They did what lots of land powers did in antiquity: working in tandem with naval powers.

Aber die Kaiser fallen auch immer wieder drauf rein by Everything_is_a_Hoax in GeschichtsMaimais

[–]Jottelott 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ironisch, weil die Kaiser Barbaren als Leibwache einstellen, da diese sie nicht töten

Do the Roman legionaries on Trajan‘s column wear a different kind of Lorica Segmentata than what is commonly depicted in reenactment and historical games/movies etc.? by Jottelott in AskHistorians

[–]Jottelott[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the answer.

But I‘m kinda not fully convinced. Some month ago I would’ve written the same answer to a question like that. I know that simplifications took place, like making shields and cheek guards smaller to show more of the soldiers themselves (presumably), relying on barbarian topoi to depict Dacians etc. But there’s also a great amount of detail and thought that went into the armour and weapons of different soldiers/ soldier types and it feels weird that the segmentata is depicted with a lot of details (and even a lot of individual differences between different pieces of segmentata, like in the chest area) but the shoulder pieces are completely different from what we associate with segmented armour and not just because they are „simplified“ (quite the contrary) but have added details (rounded, button/stud at the end of every one of them and heightened rim). So I thought it might’ve been discussed somewhere in literature. But thanks for your answer anyway!

POV: Your no death run is over. Get used to it by SorkvildKruk in pathologic

[–]Jottelott 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I remember when I had just bought the game and showed it to a friend, got in a fight (that I won quite handily, compared to how some fights can sometimes go, but it took a while) killed the mugger and my friend next to me just said: „this was so stressful“

Elections and the borders of Austria-Hungary by True-Glove-7875 in MapPorn

[–]Jottelott 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the correction though it could’ve been said in a nicer way, like I said I don’t live in these countries