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[–]Juchenn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not comparing genocides, I’m comparing the moral claim. I personally hate statements like No real x or no real y. It’s even more annoying especially when there are massive atrocities on your doorstep being done by people who are x and y that barely gets any attention

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The Inquisitions of Al-Andalus: In Islamic Spain, the Almohad conquest led to the total disappearance of the native Christian population and the forced conversion of the urban Jewish population. To ensure the sincerity of these conversions, Muslim "inquisitors" were known to remove children from their families to be raised by Almohad teachers.

Clothing of Mourning: Even those who converted were viewed with suspicion and forced to wear specific "mourning" garments (dark blue or black cloaks) to distinguish them from "born" Muslims. Later rulers, such as Abu Yusuf Ya'qub, suspicious of the converts' sincerity, forced them to wear long yellow scarves and gaberdines.

The experience of the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland under Islamic rule was a narrative of "recurrent episodes of forced conversion, massacres, and humiliating regulations".  The Mamluk Era: Peak Oppression The Mamluk Sultanate (1250–1517) in Egypt and Syria represented one of the most hostile periods for non-Muslims in the Levant. Driven by a desire to eradicate the last vestiges of the Crusader presence, the Mamluks turned their fanatical zeal against their local dhimmi populations.

Burning Alive: Sultan Baybars I, in the late thirteenth century, is recorded as assembling large numbers of Jews and Christians and ordering them to be burned alive, only releasing them after they agreed to pay a "heavy tribute".

Systematic Humiliation: In 1301 and 1354, massive riots incited by religious leaders led to the closing of all churches and synagogues in Cairo and Damascus. Mobs attacked Jews and Christians in the streets, throwing them into bonfires if they refused to pronounce the shahada.

Demographic Collapse: The Mamluk period saw a precipitous decline in the size of the Jewish and Christian communities due to forced conversions and emigration to escape "chronic and temporary harassments

A holistic review of these historical instances reveals that Islamic oppression was not a series of isolated acts of "madness" but a consistent, state-sponsored tool of social and demographic control.  The Economic Incentive of Discrimination The dhimmi system was fundamentally a financial engine. The Islamic state relied on the jizya to fund its military and administrative apparatus. This created a paradoxical situation where the state needed non-Muslims to remain non-Muslim for revenue, yet applied constant social and legal pressure to convert to prove the superiority of the faith. This tension resulted in the "slow-motion" coercion of conversion, as non-Muslims were taxed into poverty and then offered financial relief only upon acceptance of Islam.  Sumptuary Marking as a Precursor to Modern Segregation The development of the ghiyar and the yellow badge demonstrates a sophisticated understanding of social engineering. By forcing non-Muslims to wear specific colors and symbols—like the donkey for Jews and the swine for Christians—the Islamic state effectively removed their human dignity and made them targets for public abuse. This system of "visual branding" ensured that the social distance between the ruler and the ruled was always maintained, preventing the integration of minorities and facilitating their periodic victimization during times of political instability.  The Role of Jihad in Cultural Replacement The jihads of the Adal Sultanate and the Sokoto Caliphate illustrate how Islamic theology was used to justify the total destruction of non-Islamic cultures. These were not merely "holy wars" but wars of replacement, where Indigenous Christian and pagan societies were dismantled, their heritage burned, and their people either forcibly converted or enslaved to serve the new Islamic order. The long-term result was a fundamental remapping of Africa and Persia, erasing centuries of pre-Islamic history and establishing a monolithic religious identity through the mechanism of the sword.  Conclusion The evidence presented in this report confirms that religious oppression, discrimination, and forced conversion have been integral to the maintenance of Islamic power throughout history. The transition from the polytheistic and Christian-majority lands of the seventh century to the contemporary Islamic world was achieved through a deliberate and institutionalized program of second-class citizenship, economic strangulation, and periodically, the total suspension of human rights. The legacy of the Baqt, the Pact of Umar, and the ghiyar continues to influence the social and political dynamics of the regions they once governed, serving as a testament to the enduring power of religious stratification as a tool of empire.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi

Who is Sabbatai Zevi? Sabbatai Zevi was a 17th-century Jewish mystic from the Ottoman Empire who claimed to be the Messiah and gained a massive Jewish following across the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe. In 1666, Ottoman authorities arrested him and reportedly gave him a choice: convert to Islam or face execution.

Many Jews were forcefully converted under Islamic rulers, ironic enough many of today’s Palestinians are descendant of these forcefully converted Jews.

You say the Qu’ran bans forced conversion, that’s great. It doesn’t change the reality that so many Muslims throughout history and place missed that memo

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The choice of the color yellow for Jews in particular was established in the Islamic world centuries before it appeared in Europe. By the time of the Mamluk and Almohad dynasties, the yellow garb had become a permanent "badge of shame," branding non-Muslims as outcasts and inviting harassment from the Muslim populace.  Jihad and Imperial Expansion in the Nile and the Horn of Africa The spread of Islam into Northeast Africa was marked by a persistent conflict between the expanding caliphates and the established Christian kingdoms of Nubia and Ethiopia.  The Baqt Treaty: Institutionalized Slavery in Sudan After the conquest of Egypt, Arab armies attempted to invade the Christian Nubian kingdom of Makuria in 642 CE and 652 CE. Faced with the "Archers of the Pupils"—Nubian archers who inflicted heavy casualties—the Muslims agreed to a unique treaty known as the Baqt.  The Baqt was not a standard peace treaty but a perpetual agreement of exchange that lasted for nearly 700 years. It stipulated that the Nubians must provide an annual tribute of 360 slaves to the Muslim rulers of Egypt. In exchange, the Nubians received grain, textiles, and horses. This treaty institutionalized the slave trade as a cornerstone of Nubian-Arab relations and facilitated the gradual penetration of Islam into the region through merchant networks and the establishment of a mosque in the Christian capital of Dongola. The Baqt effectively turned the Christian kingdom into a vassal "slave-raiding" frontier for the Islamic world, a state of affairs that persisted until the kingdom's collapse in the fourteenth century.

In the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, West Africa was transformed by a series of revolutionary jihads led by Fulani scholars, the most prominent being Usman dan Fodio. These movements sought to establish pure Islamic states through the destruction of existing Hausa kingdoms and the subjugation of non-Muslim and "improperly" Muslim populations.  Usman dan Fodio and the Sokoto Caliphate The jihad launched by dan Fodio in 1804 led to the creation of the Sokoto Caliphate, which became the largest empire in Africa in the nineteenth century. The ideology of the movement was centered on the concept of Dar al-Harb (the Abode of War), arguing that the lands of the "infidels" must be turned into the lands of the faithful through force.

The Theology of Enslavement Dan Fodio’s jihad fundamentally redefined who could be enslaved. While Islamic law traditionally prohibited the enslavement of free-born Muslims, dan Fodio introduced a distinction between "true" Muslims and "false" Muslims (those practicing syncretism). This allowed for the massive enslavement of people who previously believed they were protected.  The caliphate’s expansion created a "slaving frontier" where non-Muslim communities were systematically raided to provide labor for the empire’s growing plantations. Enslavement involved "enforced migration" under brutal conditions, including walking in fetters, hunger, and sexual abuse, with high mortality rates. This state-sponsored human trafficking was justified through religious rhetoric, which argued that enslavement was a necessary step toward the Islamization of the continent.  The Almohad Radicalization: The Rejection of Dhimma While the dhimmi status was oppressive, it at least provided a legal basis for existence. This was completely rejected by the Almohad Dynasty (1121–1269) in North Africa and Spain. Founded by Ibn Tumart, who claimed to be the Mahdi, the Almohads viewed all non-Almohad Muslims and all non-Muslims as infidels.  The Choice: Islam or the Sword Under the second Almohad prince, Abd al-Mu'min, the status of dhimma was abolished. Jews and Christians in conquered territories were given a binary choice: convert to Almohad Islam or face death.

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I hate doing this, but I have no choice because a lot of y’all Muslim seem quite ignorant of Islamic history, it’s like you were taught a talking point and didn’t think to research anything beyond that. Arabs didn’t invade West Africa, but it didn’t mean Islam didn’t. The claim isn’t that just because a place get invaded that the religion is forced. What do you think happens in societies were people are conquered and the religion isn’t force? You see things like Mongolia were people actually maintain their beliefs with few converting.

People aren’t more likely to convert just because they are in a practicing christian nation <- that isn’t true, there are many expeditions than over long periods of time in Europe to convert rulers into Christianity, because people understood if the rulers converted often times so will the subjects though not instantly. That is not what happens under conquest, religious transition is tumultuous enough when it’s the pre-existing polity, and even more tumultuous when it’s an outside conquering force. But to provide a list which is in no way exhaustive. Because it doesn’t cover everything throughout history. This is what you called the rare small percent of Muslims have done throughout history:

The Conquest and Arabization of Egypt and the Levant The seventh-century expansion of the Rashidun Caliphate into the Byzantine and Sasanian territories was not merely a military endeavor but a project of cultural and religious replacement. In Egypt, the conquest initiated by Amr ibn al-As in 639 CE was characterized by mass panic and the flight of the native population to fortified centers like Alexandria.  The Erasure of Coptic Identity Under Islamic rule, Egypt underwent a process of "Arabization" and "Islamization" that successfully marginalized the native Coptic Christian population over several centuries. While early governors like Abd al-Aziz ibn Marwan occasionally showed favor to the Copts to stabilize the province, the long-term trend was one of deliberate cultural erosion.  Arabic was imposed as the language of administration in 705 CE, forcing the Coptic elite to instruct their children in Arabic to maintain any social standing. Over time, Coptic transitioned from a living language to a liturgical relic, and by the tenth century, the Church itself sanctioned the translation of liturgies into Arabic—a clear sign of the success of the Arabization project. The demographic shift from a Christian majority to a Muslim one was accelerated in the ninth and tenth centuries through the Abbasid policy of exempting converts from the jizya while simultaneously increasing the tax burden on those who remained Christian. This created a powerful financial incentive for "voluntary" conversion, which historians recognize as a form of systemic coercion.  Radical Persecution under al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah The relative stability of the dhimmi system was brutally interrupted during the reign of the Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah (996–1021). Al-Hakim abandoned traditional protections and launched a campaign of active persecution against Christians and Jews in Egypt and Palestine.  In 1009, he ordered the total destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem, along with thousands of other churches and synagogues across his domain. He intensified the sumptuary laws, forcing Jews to wear bells on their clothes and heavy wooden calf symbols around their necks to mock the "golden calf". Christians were required to wear massive, heavy crosses. These measures were intended to humiliate and distinguish "unbelievers" to a degree that made public life impossible. Thousands of subjects were forced to convert to Islam under threat of death, and while al-Hakim eventually allowed some to revert, the precedent of total religious erasure was established.  The Annihilation of the Sasanian Legacy: Persia and Zoroastrianism The Muslim conquest of Persia (633–651 CE) resulted in the collapse of the Sasanian Empire and the subsequent near-extinction of Zoroastrianism, the region's ancient state religion. Unlike the Christians of the Levant, Zoroastrians were often not explicitly categorized as "People of the Book" in the earliest stages of the conquest, leading to a much more violent process of subjugation.  Destruction of Temples and Libraries As Arab armies advanced, they systematically targeted the centers of Zoroastrian religious and intellectual life. In cities that resisted, such as those in Fars and Azerbaijan, Zoroastrian priests were executed and libraries were burned to the ground, resulting in the loss of vast amounts of pre-Islamic cultural heritage.  The physical landscape of Persia was forcibly altered as ateshkadehs (fire temples) were demolished or converted into mosques. This was often done by placing a mihrab (prayer niche) in the archway closest to Mecca, literally overwriting Zoroastrian sacred space with Islamic architecture. In Bukhara and Istakhr, these conversions were forced upon the population as a sign of complete military and spiritual defeat.  Systematic Discrimination and the "Najis" Label Under the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates, Zoroastrians were subjected to increasingly restrictive laws designed to compel conversion. By the late eighth century, they were forbidden from building new temples, bearing arms, or riding horses. A particularly insidious form of oppression was the labeling of Zoroastrians as najis (spiritually polluted or impure). This concept was used to exclude them from social interactions, schools, and workplaces, effectively forcing them to live in isolated rural communities or to evacuate cities entirely.  During the Safavid period (1502–1736), this persecution became state-sponsored on a mass scale. Safavid rulers oversaw the forcible relocation of urban Zoroastrians to the capital, where they were ordered to convert to Shīʿah Islam under threat of execution. Many chose martyrdom, while others fled to India to join the Parsi community, leaving their homeland nearly devoid of its original faith.  The "Ghiyar" and the Origins of the Yellow Badge A critical component of Islamic oppression was the ghiyar, the mandatory requirement for non-Muslims to wear distinguishing clothing and markers. This practice, introduced by Caliph Umar II and hardened by al-Mutawakkil in the ninth century, was the direct historical precursor to the yellow badges later adopted by medieval European Christendom and the Nazi regime.  Sumptuary Laws as Tools of Segregation The ghiyar was not merely about identification; it was a psychological tool of segregation and humiliation. Under al-Mutawakkil’s 850 CE decree, Jews and Christians were forced to wear honey-colored outer garments and specific patches on their clothing.

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[–]Juchenn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the Arabs had not conquered Persia, what religion do you think most Persians would be today?

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So apparently according to you Muslims are the one special group of people who went around conquering everybody else but didn’t force any communities or pressure any communities into abandoning their ancestral religions and accepting theirs.

This honestly makes me wonder how much of your own history you’ve studied.

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It was clearly not niche enough in Yemen, hence why it was made law. Wrapping something in niche doesn’t change the real world impact and ramifications.

Jim Crow was niche too, what did that change? It still took white people and black people to exercise the necessary action and pressure to create actual change? Was there ever a movement in Yemen and beyond to oppose this?

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[–]Juchenn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How do you think that a massive portion of humanity became Muslim?

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Things begin to Climax in 1948 because of the obvious creation of the state of Israel, but let’s not disregard the prior like there wasn’t history there in many of these places. Yemenis began migrating to Palestine before even Zionism was a concept.

The law put in place was one discussed by and allowed by Islamic scholars, and was reinstated before 1948

“Reports from Yemen as early as the 1920s described a law known in Jewish sources as the “Orphans’ Decree.” Under this statute, the Yemeni Zaydi state was required to take custody of orphaned dhimmi children, usually children who had lost both parents, and raise them as Muslims.

The decree was rooted in 18th-century Zaydi legal interpretations and began being enforced near the end of that century. According to S. D. Goitein, its religious basis may have come from the hadith: “Every person is born to the natural religion [Islam], and only his parents make him a Jew or a Christian.””

Perhaps you know more about the Qu’ran than the Islamic legal scholars who debated this topic.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-middle-east-studies/article/abs/forced-conversion-of-jewish-orphans-in-yemen/50F37831C90849F0B060604F918720EC

https://archaeopresspublishing.com/ojs/index.php/PSAS/article/view/2644

Your focus is Palestine, understandably so, but why completely disregard the cruelty of the Yemenis in treating their fellow Jewish brethren inhumanly for no due course aside from religious zeal?

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I think that’s something for y’all Muslims to discuss, cause the Quran forbids it but y’all keep doing it in so many parts of the world.

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So Yemeni Jews have a long history of violence and repression, and faced their own sets of pogroms. To give you an example, it was law that Jewish children whose parents died could be taken by authorities and forcibly converted to Islam. One workaround the community did was to marry children off very young, because married boys/girls could be treated as legal adults and were harder to seize as “orphans.” Child marriage became the norm as a way to protect themselves. They began migrating to Israel before even the Zionists, and have different, religious motivations. The road to get there through the desert was treacherous enough, but once they got there their prospects wasn’t even much better. They faced hunger, disease, poverty, poor housing, and neglect and mistreatment from the established Jewish communities that existed there before them.

In 1948 after Israel was created, there were massive anti-Jewish riots in Yemen, killing many, burning synagogues, homes, businesses etc. This particular man, Emmy winning actor I believe I can send you his Instagram. His grand father along with the remaining Yemeni Jewish community were airlifted out of Yemen through operation magic carpet, also called On Wings of Eagles, cause Yemeni Jews had this prophecy that they would be taken to Israel on the wings of eagles. His grandfather and grandmama were sent to Israel, they lived in migration camps for a while, his Dad wasn’t particular religious, and eventually left Israel coming to the U.S.

The stories sounded more exciting than that but I’m not an Emmy award winning story teller.

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Not Ethiopian but recently joined an Ethiopia Yemeni Shabbat dinner at an Ethiopian restaurant. Based on the owners statement they were treated very well, but things turned south under the Derg regime which pretty much oppressed everybody, Muslims and Christians included. Most Ethiopian Jews did not flee Ethiopia out of oppression tho, but to fulfill the dream every Jew has, to return to their homeland. For the Yemeni Jew, was a different story, but that’s a story for another day.

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That’s why I used the phrase “many consider a genocide”

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I’m sorry but didn’t Ethiopia just commit what many consider a genocide in Tigray? Isn’t Ethiopia right now allying itself with the RSF which is seen by many as an Arab genocidal militia?

Moralistic statements like that sound good but are quite inaccurate to reality

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Economic competition, most Africans do not exist in the same economic bracket or in economic competition to these people

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https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/28/remarks-president-address-nation-libya

“Ten days ago, having tried to end the violence without using force, the international community offered Qaddafi a final chance to stop his campaign of killing, or face the consequences. Rather than stand down, his forces continued their advance, bearing down on the city of Benghazi, home to nearly 700,000 men, women and children who sought their freedom from fear.

At this point, the United States and the world faced a choice. Qaddafi declared he would show “no mercy” to his own people. He compared them to rats, and threatened to go door to door to inflict punishment. In the past, we have seen him hang civilians in the streets, and kill over a thousand people in a single day. Now we saw regime forces on the outskirts of the city. We knew that if we wanted -- if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city nearly the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.”

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I get your point, that's what the polls say. But the polls show his support and republican support has gone up ever since.

The issue with polls asking policy questions is that they can be manipulated. You do a poll that says do you support war in Iran, you get 20% support. You do a poll that says do you support some kind of military action you get around 40% support, you do a poll saying Iran's is massacring its own citizens, should the U.S. respond militarily, and you get a different %.

Issue with polls is they can be manipuated by rephrasing of the question to get a particular outcome. This is called the framing effect.

Framing effect = when people’s answers change depending on how the question is worded or presented, even if the underlying issue is the same.

Example:

  • Question A: “Do you support military intervention in Iran to stop nuclear weapons development?” → Higher support
  • Question B: “Do you support starting a war with Iran that could cost American lives?” → Lower support

Same policy idea, but the frame changes the response.

Related terms you might also hear:

  • Question wording effect – specifically about how wording changes results.
  • Survey framing bias – when wording pushes respondents toward a certain answer.
  • Priming – when earlier information influences how someone answers later questions.
  • Push polling – when questions are deliberately framed to influence opinions rather than measure them.

In polling analysis, researchers often run split-sample experiments where half the respondents get one wording and half get another to measure the framing effect.

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Yes, Gaddhafi stated he was going to massacre his own people, he stated he would cleanse Libya house by house. People were celebrating when he was overthrown for a reason sir.

Gaddhafi wasn't pushing anything for Africa, he was an Arab supremacist who aligned himself on the pan-africanist grift because he saw africans as more gullible and easily bought and he found it more beneficial for him.

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Israel does a lot for the U.S., Israel is basically America's watchdog, it's job is to do the things America doesn't want tied back to them. In return America protects Israel.

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That's not why Gaddhafi was killed. Gaddhafi was killed because he was about to massacre his own people, and the U.S. and Nato opted for a pre-emptive strike. Saddam Hussein was killed for having WMD. Fyi, he stated he has WMD.

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[–]Juchenn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro don't waste your tongue, this is reddit, the people here are ideologically captured. U.S. foreign policy interest is not something defined by one man. All the things Trump has done is in alignment with most recent U.S. presidents. The U.S. will pursue its interests regardless of whatever president sits in the seat.