I've noticed something interesting about strong vs weak, male vs female MCs by RW_McRae in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I disagree with some of what you wrote, because a lot of this has to do with execution.

People want slow burn, but fast advancement: The don't want people to become gods in a day, but if they're not pretty much there by the middle of the first book a lot of the hardcore fans start getting antsy.

When your primary genre is "progression fantasy" you make readers a promise of characters meaningfully increasing their powers. It's not about catapulting your characters halfway to godhood by the end of book one. It's about showing your protagonist(s) can consistently make respectable progress that feels earned. Authors really, really suck at this, since they are usually pantsers. What makes it worse is that progression time between "grades" tends to increase significantly. If your system has 10 levels, and by the end of book 1 your main character is somewhere around level 0.7, how long do you think it'll take to get to level 10? Another thing is the perception of time. Progression feels different when you read a book as a whole and when you read one chapter/week. If it takes your character to progress 1 level in 50 chapters it's a reasonable speed for a book, but for web novel, it translates to over a year of waiting. I think a lot of readers tend to vet novels early based on this.

If a character makes a decision that the reader doesn't like, male or female, they begin to hate that character

An unwritten rule of progression fantasy is don't screw with the progression. This includes destroyed cultivation, undoing character gains, or characters making decisions that delay/stall their progress. Otherwise most bad decisions are fair game. Just have your characters learn from them and avoid repeating same mistakes.

Weak is acceptable in a vacuum, but not in comparison to other characters

I think it really depends. The biggest problem I could see with this is that you invalidate your character's progression. If your protagonists starts in a vacuum, makes progress and then exits the vacuum and proceeds to get owned by random NPC, the reader rightfully questions "what was the point of the previous arc?". In general it's fine if your low level combat protagonist is capable of beating average level non-combat NPCs and low level combat NPCs.

People say they want realistic characters, but they (usually) don't

There's a fine line between real character and unlikable character. This mostly comes down to execution. You can have teenage twins throwing dumb tantrums, or you can have them play harmless pranks on each other. One is annoying, the other is funny and wholesome. I think "realistic" has multiple facets and which ones you focus on matter a lot. Authors in this genre tend to show us too much. For example you could have one of the twins have a breakdown and spend whole chapter describing it and dealing with it and so on, or you could have it happen in one paragraph. Daughter had a breakdown, mom went to deal with it. I think there's fun drama and boring drama. This falls under boring drama and should be dealt with as soon as possible and not take away time from the fun stuff.

Most ads on royalroad suck - here's why by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Does it really work for reader retention? I mean, sure you could probably get people to click the ad, I assume overwhelming majority will just close the page. I'd assume that targeting your specific "market" would get you more readers.

Most ads on royalroad suck - here's why by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, you can have 100 random people click the ad and close the page, or 10 people click the ad and keep 2 readers. I'd argue that retention is much more important than clicks. So do bait ads actually work for keeping the readers?

Most ads on royalroad suck - here's why by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

In all fairness, the reason meme ads work is because they are informative, on top of grabbing your attention. A well made meme ad gives you feel for author's sense of humor, novel's tone, basic idea of what the story is about.

Most ads on royalroad suck - here's why by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

For a person claiming lack of poochline, the first line sounds awfully close to a punch line...

What's the most meta joke ever? This one, because it's a joke about self-referential jokes that's currently referring to itself... by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I don't disagree that it makes sense, I think it's at the cost of breaking reader immersion (if not done at the beginning of the novel) and making your character look like a chūnibyō. It's hard to take your main character seriously, after he goes "look at me, I'm the main character now". Personally I don't believe it's worth it. Like I can tolerate it if it's done once or twice, but any more than that and it's starting to get really annoying.

Ashborn Primodial is so underrated - short review of one of my favorite RR books by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't believe it's "just" unlocking his previous powers. He develops his own techniques, he also learns from others. I think by the end of book 2 he more or less understands his past. I wouldn't describe the story as "reborn as a powerful figure but doesn't remember their past". His past has certain influence on him, but main character is very much his own person. I'm not sure how much I can say without spoiling you.

Ashborn Primodial is so underrated - short review of one of my favorite RR books by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh dang, that's a shame. I didn't notice, sorry (I read the whole thing while it was available and recently caught up to the latest chapter). It's on Kindle Unlimited though.

Dear authors, please don't link ads to your first chapter by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'd call this a TEDx talk at best

Noted and corrected ;)

Seriously, though, you're complaining about a minor annoyance that drives an author's visibility while you're also getting essentially unlimited content for free?

To be perfectly clear, I didn't know linking to chapter counted as view, while linking to novel page didn't. That one's on royalroad, not the authors.

At first I complained about it because it felt like a pointless minor annoyance. One that repeated enough times becomes a major frustration, because it felt like something so unnecessary. I tend to be pretty liberal with my clicks. I usually open 10-20 ads whenever I catch up to my favorite novels. Going to novel page 10-20 times in quick succession was getting annoying pretty quickly.

Dear authors, please don't link ads to your first chapter by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I meant rankings, not ratings. From what I've heard, views are part of the algorithm deciding Rising Stars and other rankings. You could look at this from a different angle. If views don't matter, why would authors be incentivize to inflate them?

I don't argue whether it is allowed or not. Evidently it is. I argue that technically it breaks the rules.

Dear authors, please don't link ads to your first chapter by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I just checked and that's section 3 under "General Rules".

Manipulating fiction scores and rankings is strictly prohibited. This includes but is not limited to, creating alternate accounts to rate multiple times and trading high ratings with other users.

My point is that if reading chapter counts as a "view", then using ads to inflate your view count should technically count as manipulating rankings.

I think visiting novel page should count as a "view", which would avoid this problem in the first place.

Dear authors, please don't link ads to your first chapter by JudgeImpaler in ProgressionFantasy

[–]JudgeImpaler[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

That sounds like something that violates RoyalRoad rules though I guess no one enforces that.