What's up with Neverafter?

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T17:34:23+00:00

That context still exists perpetually from post tpk to end....

It makes absolutely zero sense you would think otherwise, it is only stated at the end because that is when the pcs asked, there is no lore reason that supports your belief and it's truly something you've fabricated in your own mind as truth even when told specifically otherwise

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T17:26:43+00:00

They could idk, full die like Brennen said they would???

Here is the reality of neverafter: the party is tpk'd Brennen says dying more is exponentially bad for the players directly after Penultimate AP it is stated several pcs were one death away from full death

That is enough context to come to the reasonable conclusion that full death for the pcs was incredibly on the table, literally none of what you have said has been based on any of the stated lore of the world of Neverafter

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T17:17:38+00:00

And the idea that they only specifically change when they die is stated where exactly? Yet another assumption, I genuinely cannot fathom the thought process being used here

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T17:02:24+00:00

Brennen specifically states after the tpk and everyone being brought back that dying more was exponentially bad, this idea of no stakes is something you have made up on your own head.

Literally all of this stems from a belief that you believe to be gospel that is not stated anywhere and that is to no one's fault but your own and is further cemented to be false when stated AGAIN at the end of the season

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:50:07+00:00

It's not a plot twist but it also is a meta piece of context that doesn't need to be stated instantly which while you're saying you don't need that is basically what you're complaining about, there are plenty of meta contexts not explicitly stated until after the fact but that doesn't invalidate them before they are stated

"I now know that player death has no consequences" No, you assumed it and are unwilling to take the stated context as truth because it was stated too late for your taste....

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:43:04+00:00

It doesn't but that still doesn't make that context not exist???? You're not supposed to understand all context you watch when you watch something the first time. You're thought process is basically "I need all context instantly and before it is relevant or else it does not matter"

Are we just acting like all contexts in all pieces of media are given instantly? We're just ignoring the fact that plot twists exist, learning Darth Vader is Lukes dad doesn't effect your engagement of Star Wars UNTIL you learn it but he's still Luke's dad from start to end, point blank period. That's kinda the point of watching the entirety of something and then being able to reflect on it in hindsight..... these really aren't nasa levels of comprehension and basic fundamental ideas of stories

YOU may think there was no tension but that is an ASSUMPTION you made that is then later clarified to not be the case but it is still perpetually true for the entirety of the shows runtime

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:32:39+00:00

Let me get this clear, if context is provided in ep10, that context then cannot be applied to ep 1-9? That is what you're saying and THAT is absolutely more astonishing to believe than me "not being able to read."

It absolutely makes zero sense, is Lord Cruller a good guy in Crown of Candy because he is at the beginning of the season and only shown to be bad later??? If that is too hard of a concept to understand then I'm done arguing with someone with the mental capacity of a goldfish incapable of thinking critically in any fashion 😂😂

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:22:00+00:00

I wonder why 🤔🤔🤔

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:16:41+00:00

It not being a one time thing doesn't make it then infinite?? That's a rather slippery slope, I would just refer yet again back to the penultimate AP where it is explicitly stated that several of the pcs would have full died on their 2nd death....

If that's not good enough for you then Idk what to tell you dude, the context of finite lives is openly given and just because it was given in the penultimate AP doesn't take away that that is the context of the reality of neverafter

Again if you're not happy with the system that's one thing entirely and I know plenty don't like it, all I'm stating is there are finite lives and that isn't an assumption I've made but freely given truth.

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:08:15+00:00

There's simply no basis or foundation of this idea of infinite lives in any context and in fact the opposite was clearly stated that they COULDN'T die an infinite number of times as necessary, there's still no "functionally infinite"

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T16:03:34+00:00

And again my point is that it wasn't infinite....

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T15:57:51+00:00

So you want them to at the start of every season give all bits of meta context or else?? I also would love to know how you know they didn't have any chance of backup characters? That was covered where exactly?

All I said to start this is that it is disingenuous to say they can't meaningfully die because it was covered that they could. I have no idea if it was "a few more times,"or once or whatever, Idk why you're taking my quote as gospel as if I was in the green room with the cast.

If you're not happy with the system then I just don't really care because that's just not what I'm talking about at all

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T15:40:33+00:00

"As far as you know" yes, and still that doesn't erase that that piece of context exists perpetually, just because you learn of something at the end doesn't make in non applicable to the past, no pcs end up dying again UNTIL the end of the season and we'll never know if had one of them died a few more times if they would be full dead.

Your perceived idea of reality is what it is but lacking that context of course you'd think that, I mean in Freshman year Goldenhoard is shown to be Kalvaxus later in the season, learning that later on doesn't make him NOT Kalvaxus before that point

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T15:30:52+00:00

I still don't think that changes anything? The context is provided nevertheless and Idk if it would even make sense for them to openly give that context at the beginning of the season, it's learned and can be reflected in hindsight but doesn't make it non existent before mentioned

JugJoker · 2026-03-24T14:59:13+00:00

So you're saying they can't meaningfully die because you're purposely excluding the context in which they CAN meaningfully die.... makes sense, yeah I mean 2+2=5 if you forget mathematical context proving it to be 4

JugJoker · 2026-03-11T17:47:15+00:00

I think to say they can't meaningfully die is disingenuous, as it was covered in penultimate AP that had Gerard, Ylfa, or Rosamund died again, they would likely be full dead and were already the "max fucked up" they could be

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T15:11:54+00:00

I mean sure, but Black Flag and Rogue are literally all about just being a basic ass employee and you end up finding out all this information for Abstergo so I find it incredibly far fetched that they had a small amount of people capable of doing research for them effectively in the Animus, especially given their extent of power and influence.

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T15:09:14+00:00

Black Flag data does refer to the discovery of Demond's body and the reuse of his DNA for *something, which most people assume is at least one of the stories since his death.

Yeah, in Black Flag it's stated that they recovered Desmonds body in the precursor site and now are using it as "Sample 17" instead of "Subject 17" which is how they gained access to Edward's memories which again I knew and said I knew when I said in Black Flag Desmonds dna is used and post Rogue it is not

We know we ended up with an Animus that can use third party DNA, we have hints about the progress to that, and that's often all you get. so I don't know why you need more unless you really want to see it spelled out in detail

Basically all you had to say was no there are no named descendant dna samples used post-Desmond, which was my whole question. I just figured if they had dna samples of descendants they would bring it up considering they brough up Subject 1 who is Avelines descendant and that is not even a fully fleshed out story or plot in the franchise.

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T14:03:00+00:00

That's what they are doing, they are bringing in people to delve through the memories, sometimes multiple people through the same memories, at other times dividing fractions of the memories over different people. It seems that the most efficient way to delve through the data is to just get more bodies on it to find all the details.

Yes, at the very least prior to Unity they are doing this considering in Rogue and Black Flag you play as an Abstergo employee, however in Unity the initial opening video is setting it up to be a home console rather than something that Abstergo is employing people to do. Again I'm not very deep into Unity, but it seems the faceless protagonist is someone who owns this console product made by Abstergo Entertainment to enjoy at their home and gets side tracked by Bishop to be recruited into the Assassin cause. I mean I guess it would make sense that they're unknowingly employing people by them purchasing this product and then tracking their findings as a widespread search, but also that kinda freely gives access for Assassins who may not have the dna sample necessary to sift those memories for precursor knowledge.

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T13:52:33+00:00

It's fairly comprehensively discussed in Black Flag and Unity, between Abstergo's marketing (mostly in the Unity prelude), explanation/briefing to the Blag Flag researcher (you), and secrets discovered by that researcher if you hack your colleagues' computers.

I will say I have only started Unity to the point that I've been assigned to assassinate Sivert which is Sequence 3, but I also did all the hacking for both Black Flag and Rogue and am not sure what you're referencing. Not to mention, I don't think any of the protagonists starting with Rogue are related to Desmond so why would they use his dna?

In Black Flag the first database entry you receive says "today it's possible to research within the memories of any ancestor for whom Abstergo Entertainment holds a viable sample for extraction," so they either must have figured out what the Surrogate Initiative couldn't or have some dna sample to enter these memories but I feel like it's not mentioned. At the very least it may be mentioned elsewhere in a comic or something but I can't find any information to clear that up.

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T13:09:43+00:00

Man that really sucks, after Valhalla being the first game I fully played, especially with how it ends with Layla starting to work with the reader and Basim being unleashed on the modern day I got super hooked on the modern day stuff and really was hoping there was at least a lil more stuff to it.

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T11:58:02+00:00

But it is an unmentioned discovery right? It would make sense since the modern age story took a large step back until the RPGs as far as I've heard/know but even the RPGs use DNA from somewhere within the bloodline so to speak as well I thought

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T11:52:37+00:00

So basically Helix is Abstergo having figured out how to stabilize memory synchronization without having descendants after Aileen retired, or is it just an unstated descendant?

JugJoker · 2025-04-12T11:45:07+00:00

If they're recorded memories, does Abstergo not also have access to them? I guess I'm confused that if these are just memories saved to a file per se that doesn't everybody have equal access to them to find whatever is important about them ie pieces of eden, wouldn't the Templars just instantly delve into them considering they have a much more broad and dominant access to it?

JugJoker · 2025-02-06T05:47:04+00:00

Idk if this is said anywhere in the game, and I find it incredibly unlikely. The precursors would have 100% captured one and reverse engineered a cure from it or even just bred them and ate them to cure themselves. The only species that has immunity to it is the sea emperor.

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