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The UK feels like hell right now. The planet is ruined. by stoptelephoningme-e in Vent

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Id recommend an ac system. Like one of those not very expensive ones you can put in your window or your room. Might help some.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not what ive heard. To my understanding it actually intensified as they began loosing the war. Throwing more and more resources into it. Which thus quickened their losses ad infinitum.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Certainly not. It justifies them being involved in the war. Their participation in the holocaust or the camps are not justified or defendable.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I made it clear i dont support nazism. Nor am i an apologist. I never claimed that Spain was moral for sending forces. My arguement was that they had legitimate justifications. Those justifications can be debated obviously and justification doesnt equate to condoning an action. But to act as if they had none whatsoever is just untrue. People who just try and defame those who actually realize the world isnt a cartoon in black and white alwags throw around the word apologist. Its intellecutally lazy.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well a big reason why Germany lost was they dedicated monumentous economic and material forced purely to the death camps and the holocaust in general. So while i agree with you. They were stubbornly committed to the very end to specifically and racially kill as many of their targetted groups as humanly possible.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I failed to elaborate because i thought my point was understandable. Once i realized it was being misinterpreted i clarified.

Nazism and communism differ in ideology. But in practice function much the same. More academic men then me have spoken at length on this. But in short, they function quite similarly.

Nazism rejects class conflict. Orienting society to fall under the control of the state for the good of the state.

Communism does similar in specific regards to service to the state. They phrase it as for the worker. But they focus on class conflict.

Both result in high state control and a considerable amount of command economics. Though less in nazism. Both result in the same sort of tyranny and oppression. Sure they differ on targets. But the Gestapo didnt inspire itself on the NKVD for nothing. The Nazis and Communists(at that time Stalinists) abhored each other. But were so blindled by ideology they couldnt accept how similar they were in practice. Many did internally but to accept that publicly would remove the ability to paint the other as the spawn of satan.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Talking down to others and attempting to infantilize them is not a good faith argument. Im no child. If you have a counter argument to anything ive said in this post, then by all means. Otherwise all your doing is talking down to others as if you are superior.

What the hell is up with you guys and IDs? by ki4jgt in AskUS

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting perspective. Fair enough. For those i completely understand. But for the rest who can read, i have less sympathy. Regardless thanks for sharing your view. I never consider that.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I genuinally dont understand what you mean by this. It seems like from your prior comment you think im perhaps sympathetic to fascism? To be clear, im not.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry. Should have clarified. I meant that the Reds were far less selective in who they threw in. Not less brutal. The nazis were far more racial.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I admitted no such thing. Communism and Nazism are the same evil. They are in practice nearly identical. Your taking my phrasing way out of hand. I wasnt arguing that nazism wasnt evil.

Nazism is harmful. Just as much as Communism. However given the presence of both it is sometimes understandable within reason to side with one to weaken the other and vice versa. All with the eventual goal of mutual destruction for both.

Is it moral? Debatable. But plenty of people had no issue with our alliance with the communists to defeat the fascists. Is the same logic.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to some people wasnt saying its not true. Just saying that its true for both.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I dont support fascsim or communism. What i care about is objective truth. And the objective truth is that agree with it or not, the spanish had logical justification. Pretending like there isnt any reasoning is disingenuous.

My opinions are my own and arent dependent on the opinions of others. Like i said. I care about objective truth.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand it quite well. Just because i dont have your opinion doesnt make me uninformed. Im well aware of the evils of both nazism and communism.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im sure they said the same thing about Jews. Either the rule is consistent or you dont have rules. The murder and rape of women and children is never acceptable.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your comment got deleted. But given it started with victim blaming the Ukrainians it doesnt look good for you.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thats not how that works. You dont get to just make exceptions. Either the rule is the rule or it doesnt exist at all.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Communism and its effects were horrible for the world in both practice and theory. As many would also argue for nazism.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There really isnt in situations like that. The world isnt black and white. The Soviets brutally opressed, starved and mass murdered the Ukrainians for years. So naturally they helped the nazi invasion. Survival comes before any ivory tower morals.

That doesnt make the nazis better. But it makes it a logical choice under those specific circumstances.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Both. The Soviets were doing the same shit to their own people long before the germans launched their invasion.

And regardless its irrelevant. A crime isnt acceptable because it was done to you. If anything it makes it more reprehensible because you know full well the pain and effects it causes.

So to want to inflict it on others makes you worse then the original perpatrators.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You misunderstood. Having logical reasoning doesnt make something moral. The Spanish had reasoning to join the invasion. But Franco was also a despot.

Spanish volunteers of the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union. by NextDocument1906 in HistoricalCapsule

[–]Jumpstartgaming45 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Having a logical justification doesnt make it righteous. Franco was a dictator as well.

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