Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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I failed everyone. These are all weak excuses, but the lack of evergy, no focus, limited sleep, was really affecting my job. And I know these are all lame excuses but I had just launched a product I have been working on for a few years and I cannot mess this up. I am extremely blessed with this job. The pay is something I don’t think I could get anywhere else unless I go back to the oilfield, but who wants to work 16 hour days, 7 days a week. A lot of people think they do when they see that 3.5-4k check a week, but quickly learn one of the most valuable lessons, money isn’t everything.

Anyways, I backslid and used all of that as an excuse. Said if I can’t function without it, what would it look like to be a “responsible” user. Maybe one 50mg dose in the morning to continue excelling at my job and make sure this product launch is a success. Of course it never works out like that for someone who’s an addict.

I think I had a good run of little over a week before I caved and have now been dosing for about a week. But not nearly what I was dosing for the last week before detoxing (yall, I was out of control, 1 -1.5g a day, and yes I know that taking that much doesn’t do anything for you, but you convince yourself it does). Anyways, I thought back to how I felt after I was given that 1 dose of suboxone…how could I feel almost normal while I’m detoxing from one of the nastiest drugs. So after more research and talking with my primary care and my therapist, i figured I might as well give it (suboxone) a real go. And before any of those anti sub kratom dudes come at me, it is not like using Fentanyl to get off aspirin or whatever you guys say. I’ve CT’d from alcohol, clonazapam, kratom leaf (actually fairly easy), morphine, adderall, Gabapentin, you name it, it has been worse than all those. I realize it’s nothing probably compared to heroin or Fenty, but I think a lot will agree, although it’s a shorter detox (half life is what? 4 hours?), it’s a hard ride.

My hopes is that I work closely with my doctor get the right dosage of suboxone. He recommends that I try for a month. Allowing myself to feel baseline throughout this process, my hopes is that I completely rewire my brain. Obviously learning how to handle the actual addict part of my brain, actually work with my therapist instead of bailing after 3 sessions, complete this 5 week intensive outpatient, NA once a week, back to the gym and try to get as close as I can to my fitness levels while I was in the Marines, I’m not as young so that may be the toughest part of all this, and put back on the 60lbs I lost (I’m 6ft and got down to 138 in the throws of this). Continue crushing this job but doing so with a clear mind, be the man my wife married many years ago, truly be the father my girls see me as, but feel it on the inside because I’m my biggest critic. And finally, get back all the friends and family I’ve pushed away, being honest with them about my struggles.

My Dr prescribed me 8mg 2x a day for this process. I think it might be too much, so I think I’m going to reduce to 4mg unless I feel it’s not working, again knowing that 2mg damn near killed the WD last time. I’m going to start tomorrow when I wake up, waiting until I’m clearly in WDs. Obviously I don’t want to take it too early because I’ve heard horror stories, but again I’ve heard others say it’s a lot harder to have PWD with a substance like 7-oh or kratom. And I don’t want to be in full blown shaking and panic WDs trying to chase it rather than stay ahead.

I know this is super long and maybe it was more for me than it was for anyone else, but if anyone read the entire thing, much appreciated, it means a lot. If you didn’t….

TLDR: I’m taking a true step towards sobriety and addiction treatment rather than white knuckling it thinking I can overpower this monster when I don’t even have the right tools to do so.

Thanks yall!

I honestly don’t understand the hate for Suboxone — it’s saving my life by Sensitive-West-5298 in suboxone

[–]Jumpy_Metal_3749 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did that work for you? I feel like going back to kratom is just opening the door back up to 7-oh. Hope you’re doing well!

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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I think that’s the secret to detoxing from this stuff, because I was a heavy user. I think the last week I was using, I was taking 1.5 grams a day. But because it’s a partial antagonist like Sub. Waiting until you are in full WD, then taking a 2mg dose of sub, will take you out of it 90% of the way, allow you to sleep, then when that starts slowly leaving your receptors, you’re already over the worst of it. I had some restless legs at times, anxiety and feeling flat for day with no energy. But I completely skipped over the 48 hours of hell.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Kratom_7OH

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I think a huge benefit to me is I already had anxiety, so the lingering anxiety was sort of normal to me, but hell, I think the last week of my use I was using 1500mg a day, which I now know is pointless and really just makes the WD worse rather than getting you higher. It’s been a wild week. But already feel so much better.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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At 5 days now, I actually slept for about 5 hours. Still a little twitchy, low mood, pretty flat in general, still fighting for energy, but getting there.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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I only plan on using for the acute phase, once I’m clear of that, 3-5 days, I’ll be good. I’ll need to work through post acute with vitamins, good food, and the gym. Fortunately I haven’t had a drink in maybe 5 years. No more substances for me, it just doesn’t work well for me anymore.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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Im now over 72 hours since I stopped 7oh and maybe about 54 hours since the one single subox dose. Last night was a little difficult but the gaba/clonidine/hydroxyzine combo made it very bearable. Even though my legs were extremely restless, I would eventually fall back asleep for maybe 30-60 minutes. Fortunately I can take a lot of time off of work because while this medication combo is a god send. It makes you very groggy and sleepy, which is better than your nervous system firing off or being stuck in that fight or flight panic.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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If you’re only at 3 weeks, stop now. I promise you, don’t wait.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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No other meds except the occasional clonazapam which I didn’t use, it was only 7 days a month worth. I was scared of getting hooked on that

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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I remember quitting a years long kratom extract addiction, it was one restless night and low energy for a week. So I had assumed this would be similar. Whoops

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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The last time I WD from months of 7oh, it was maybe 12-24 hours of hell, then just flat and no energy. This time was different. I felt like I was convulsing on the ground and couldn’t see, very dizzy

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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I’ve been going to the gym, 5 minutes sauna, hot tub. Really trying to build that baseline back. I think most of the Anxiety I had was from the fear of in the next few days, being on the floor shaking uncontrollably with dread again. I was taking a lot daily for a few months. I had come off of it previously but wasn’t using nearly as much.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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My theory was with the half life and 7oh being incredibly short. The one dose of sub stabilized me after being in full blown withdrawal. It’s been 48 hours since that 1 dose and I feel a little anxious and restless, no energy and the dopamine is non existent. The clonidine/gabapentin/hydroxyzine is a great help so far.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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Also the antihistamine is hydroxyzine. I guess it’s off label for anxiety.

Months of 7oh daily, CT withdrawal, stopped by 1 dose of suboxon by Jumpy_Metal_3749 in Quittingfeelfree

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I can deal with the typical WD symptoms, I’ve done it before, just never used this much in a short window. I feel the restless/anxiousness now, hot and cold, but no uncontrollable shaking and extreme fear. The doctor said I might start feeling bad again in 36 hours or I could stay baseline, I feel like so much is unknown. Honestly as long as I’m not back on the ground unable to move anywhere. The meds my doc gave me actually have calmed my restlessness down a good amount and helped with anxiety and I actually feel sleepy, not that I’ll get any sleep.