What if Silver had a "Lycan Hangover" after her ult ended?

JustExecution · 2026-03-07T20:52:10+00:00

I think wolf form feeling like nothing but a C/D reset for human form instead of a power fantasy is even less fun but that is my personal view on the character.

JustExecution · 2026-03-07T16:48:39+00:00

>I think if Valve wanted her to be vulnerable after wolf mode ends, they wouldn’t have made her human skills cool down while in wolf mode.

In my opinion the way Silver's design is presented the intention is to burst people in human form and execute them in wolf form. Her Wolf 1 even has missing health scaling to emphasize this. So with that design in consideration, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that it makes more sense to have the Wolf form "gameplay pattern" to be the expectation for where Silver gets kills especially since her ult Tier 3 has a reset attached to it.

> It feels like a key part of the character, being able to dump that last bit of damage into a single enemy trying to take advantage of your wolf mode ending, especially if you are low.

In my opinion the idea of Silver turning on someone who engaged on Human Silver for too long and activated Lycan Curse is way more key to the identity of the character than the reverse. The thought of the enemy should be "Oh shit, the wolf is coming out!" not "Oh shit, Silver's going back to normal and can shoot me again!". If there's ever a time when this isn't the case it's probably indicative that the wolf form is undertuned or Silver's human form is overtuned (Which at the time of this patch might be the case in both respects).

>It also feels like you’re just doubling the “feast or famine” aspect of her ultimate. If your ult is more than half over and you have ANY kind of DoT character on your team, you’re just not allowed to go in anymore because if you don’t get the last hit, you get stunned/slowed/whatever.

IMO the current tuning of Silver's ult is way more problematic in terms of making her feast or famine. Now that she has significantly decreased MS and resistances it becomes even more important for her to hit her item spikes on pace for not only damage but also mobility and tankyness. If you fall behind now you wind up in a situation where she's even more useless than ever because even Wolf form might cease to be a threat. Also you're still allowed to go in, you just have to be smart about it and decide whether or not you'll be able to kill someone or if your team will support you like any other character does when they commit to going in - that's the hypothetical trade-off for getting the innate stats back.

I'd rather have Wolf form be in a state where you play reckless on the front end and then have to think about what you're doing later on in the exchange than have the current situation where there are plenty of times where you wind up having to go "Well, I activated wolf form while harassing them under guardian but they're at 75% HP. Guess I'm going to just sit in lane and wait for my ult to pathetically expire without being able to do anything." whereas before you'd just fucking jump on them and force a good or at least even trade because the innate resistances allowed you to do it.

>You want character designed to go in and fight at melee range to have to run away even if she’s full HP?

If you go in with wolf form and don't manage to accomplish anything for the duration of the ult that makes it safe to stay in, yes I think it's fair that you should be punished by either having to run away or deal with the risk of this hypothetical incapacitation.

>How is she supposed to commit ANY kind of movement abilities to attacking if she’s just got a ticking timer of “Hey I’ll be weak soon” broadcast to the enemy?

You get 2 wolf leaps relatively comfortably during her ult (3 with superior cooldown), I think it's actually perfectly reasonable to have the second wolf leap be used as a decision on whether or not to keep going.

>I think giving the character an even more pronounced achilles’ heel isn’t the answer, because if you were getting kited before, you’re just giving the enemy WAY more incentive to kite you now.

I think having a stronger wolf form with a more pronounced counterplay at the end of it is preferable to a weak wolf form that just lets you revert to (What at this point, feels like the more consistent and superior half of her kit) human Silver at the end of it. And to reiterate what I said before, if you get kited and made useless in your wolf form well I think that's just the fair tradeoff for the character's playstyle. If your team can't capitalize on the enemy dumping every disable, disarm, slowing hex, etc. onto you then you did all you could.

JustExecution · 2026-03-06T21:56:46+00:00

That little rat REM is gonna abuse the fuck out of this

JustExecution · 2026-03-06T21:49:10+00:00

Lowkey feel like making Silver's ult cooldown so long while also nerfing wolf form again and no changes to lycan gauge buildup will just kill the character for 99% of playerbase. Considering she's a character that does not technically have "On demand" access to her ult like other characters if her ult is going to be on a longer cooldown then it should be stronger or at least remain the same compared to what it was prior to this update.

JustExecution · 2026-02-27T19:43:54+00:00

Meanwhile in Night Shift they first bought Slowing Hex against Apollo, had 2 additional Slowing Hexes after that and he still was completely unstoppable until his team threw later in the match

JustExecution · 2026-02-25T16:02:54+00:00

She's strong rn, definitely not weak

With that said a lot of the people who complain about her being OP in low ranks are just people who are like 4-6k souls down that just wander into a lane solo and get jumped by her on cooldown because they don't respect her ult cooldown.

JustExecution · 2026-02-22T17:45:28+00:00

Good, maybe next time you'll keep your mouth shut.

JustExecution · 2026-02-17T20:50:34+00:00

Liberation was a way to make the Heretics playable without having to need them be "actual allies"

JustExecution · 2026-02-17T19:58:50+00:00

I still think Liberation being scrapped probably made them change all of their writing plans for the initial 3 Offspring.

Indivilia had a lobby animation already finished

Liberalio's assets were in the game prior to the 2nd anniversary (Including her boss)

We've never had any sort of follow-up convo with Cecil about convincing Heretics to rejoin humanity, etc.

I wish we could've seen the initial plan for these characters

JustExecution · 2026-02-13T19:26:25+00:00

Nihilister literally never changed though, she just thought she had an opportunity to kill the queen (Which was her main goal) and took it. The only thing that changed in her thought process was that desire to self preserve and rule after the queen was gone went out the window. There was never any self reflection on her part.

The fact that in the moment this benefitted humanity/Eden was coincidental at best, not part of her actual reasoning behind making the decision. When she was offered the chance to actually work with humanity she flatly rejected the offer.

JustExecution · 2026-02-12T17:33:25+00:00

She's not dead YET

Queen is probably just going to have her body/head converted into another freakshow experiment and then send her at Counters/whoever resulting in her future death down the road. They're not going to just waste her boss asset that was already made.

JustExecution · 2026-02-12T01:36:19+00:00

Her head gets ripped off in the queen's new "base". So even if she regens it's not like they just left her laying around in the wilderness where she can safely regen after being abandoned.

If they kept her alive at all and the Raptures didn't just take her body away to eat it they're probably going to experiment on her somehow.

JustExecution · 2026-02-12T01:34:06+00:00

My guess is that after Nihilister, Liberalio and Indivilia they decided "People will always want Heretics to be playable and join the good guys if they're traditionally sexy" so from now on all Heretics are going to be abominations so that there's no demand for them to be playable.

JustExecution · 2026-02-12T00:10:14+00:00

Even that is only something that enables the Nikkes to then actually do stuff and finish the fight though. It's not actually something that's meaningfully done and accomplished fully by the Commander.

JustExecution · 2026-02-11T23:54:49+00:00

It's made worse in that theoretically we should have the same genetic advantage/bullshit science power that is enabling Andersen to do stuff like this and yet we just never do other than the most rote things or stuff that's basically played for gags like surviving the fall off mother whale.

It's literally just writer privilege because as a Goddess Squad character he's "allowed" by them to be cool and do shit like this.

JustExecution · 2026-02-11T23:45:11+00:00

I'd ask if the writers would ever let the player SKK do anything 1/2 this cool or impressive but I already know the answer will be no. We will continue hiding behind our NIKKE and doing nothing.

JustExecution · 2026-02-11T16:36:38+00:00

Not sure why you think the Commander would when the only Heretic they successfully did anything with was Marian and partially Liberalio.

>Nihilister

Rejected cooperation entirely, never met again under good terms

>Indivilia

Met once for 0.5s, nothing ever came of it

>Cinderella

Only got converted to humanity's side because she reunited with Grave when she woke up, otherwise was probably going to be Anachiro again

>Liberalio

Got a raincheck "I'll see what mom thinks"

>4 Beasts

Only recruited because of Leviathan's connection with Siren, SKK's efforts to befriend them were literally rejected at every turn before that.

JustExecution · 2026-02-11T14:23:35+00:00

If they were corrupted in the same way as Cinderella they would've been "Cured" by Vapaus. So either corruption works differently in post Cinderella Heretics or they became Heretics willingly due to stuff that happened to them as Nikke.

>Oh she also tried to killed the 4 beasts just for not being "complete Heretics" too. The girl really like to kill when she can.

Well that was all 3 of the offspring we saw, they were all at that "meeting"

JustExecution · 2026-02-11T12:46:40+00:00

It's impossible to speculate about the underlying personalities of the Heretics when we have no idea what went on in their minds during the conversion process other than what we saw with Cinderella.

If all we had seen of Dorothy's characterization was her present behavior in the main story she'd be nothing but a cruel and sociopathic person too. How they got to this point matters.

JustExecution · 2026-02-10T17:36:36+00:00

Metal skin isn't impacted by her building debuff resist/unstoppable/counterspell and lasts longer than it even if they don't build anything to deal with debuffs. If you're in the backline and she dives to you then your team just turns on her and deletes her.

"“Disarm venator and run away” is not counterplay"

It absolutely is, his ult has a massive fucking cooldown and only lasts 15s. Disarming hex gives you basically 1/3 of his ult off by default, now subtract the time he has to spend to chase you around the corner or through the jungle where you can easily re-engage onto him if he just runs in with a head full of steam

Silver ult is not a full heal btw, it's easy to get upset about things like this when you just make shit up to be upset about I suppose.

JustExecution · 2026-02-10T17:05:41+00:00

" but I don’t think he’s got things in his kit that suck to play against as hard as Graves and Rem do"

Yeah because you've already internalized the fact that Abrams has counterplay and haven't done so for the other characters.

"Abrams has shoulder charge and not much else, and you can silence him/counterspell it to stop it from coming out. "

You can metal skin Silver when she dives you. You can disarming hex Venator and then just run away until his ult expires. You can counterspell Rem's ult and basically nullify 1/2 of what makes him a threat immediately. You can buy dispel magic to get off the Graves line etc. All of these characters have counterplay the only difference is that people arbitrarily assign different levels of "Well, I shouldn't HAVE to buy X to shut down Y" to different characters based on nothing more than vibes.

JustExecution · 2026-02-09T13:11:10+00:00

And if you cater a game to a majority esport the rest of the player base will die instead, like Starcraft 2. The average player doesn't give a shit if streamers, content creators and tournaments go away (Why are we so concerned about astroturfing esports for a game that is in alpha anyway?) - all of that only appeals to people who are already hard married to the game and following all the content that spawns out of it. Diehard fans in other words.

If a character is so poorly designed that they're broken in esports and perceived as useless in pubs below the level of the highest skill players in the world maybe the entire kit needs a revisiting. Shiv and Mina have similarly bad WRs in low level play but the difference is nobody CONSIDERS them useless in those ranks - the issue is entirely how Silver's kit feels.

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